@Reverend Turtle No apologies needed. Love conversations!! For the first time, I bought bayer dipping and boy, did stuff fall out!! I followed up with revive and another one I have that is an iodine dip, but the bayer seemed to knock everything out. Might give that a try! So far, so good. Only one I haven't seen "fleshed" is the chalice. No idea what it is supposed to look like.