The DOs and DON’Ts of Quarantine

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  1. Humblefish

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    IMO; that's just insane. I've seen public aquariums drop a fish from 35ppt to 12ppt (full hypo) in about 12 hrs via slow drip. But doing so instantly would likely send most fish into osmotic shock after 5-10 minutes.
     
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    linus.chan Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the reply- I wanted to make sure before I tried this, and so now I know I won't. even if I do use hypo, I will acclimate it slower, rather than just dropping it in.
     
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    Though with the use of freshwater dips it wasn't out of the range of possibility that a drop in salinity wouldn't hurt.
     
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    FW dip only lasts 5 mins, not long enough to cause a rapid change in the movement of water across a fish's cells.
     
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    Very helpful info. Have to come back occasionally, can't remember everything! Thank you @Humblefish .:D
     
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    Humblefish,
    I have a sand sifting goby. How will it survive in quarantine with sand to sift?
     
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    You can put a small glass bowl with sand in it into the QT for him. He will be fine with that.
     
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    +1
     
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    If you use the Tank Transfer Method, that sand needs to be completely replaced with every transfer, right?
     
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    Yes, nothing can be reused from the previous tank without being disinfected first. That would require a lot of drying time for sand.
     
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    I'm in the process of receiving a flame angel. I know dwarf angels don't do well with copper. I have both cupramine and coppersafe, but I'm not going to risk it. My question is, can I use prazipro on flame angel?

    Ooh before I forget currently the qt has a pair of bangii cardinal. I haven't added any medication yet. Will it be ok to put prazipro with bangii cardinal and flame angel in the tank?
     
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    Yes, but take care not to overdose.

    Yes
     
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    Thank you @Humblefish . I think I will wait few days to make sure it is eating properly before doing Prazi. Some Flame Angels can be finicky eaters.
     
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    I think my brain is in overload right now. Lol this information is amazing. I am still fuzzy on couple things:

    1) I have a Bristletooth tang and flame angel coming on Tuesday. I have since decided to not use the cupramine I bought and ordered coppersafe and the appropriate API test kit. It seems pretty unanimous that this is better for the more sensitive dwarf angel. I can next day air it for Tuesday or get it on Wednesday regular shipping from amazon. Should I start the medication same day or wait? I can't determine what is better.
    2) I bought pazipro also. Should I start with pazipro for 5-7 days then carbon for a few days to then go with coppersafe? How long with carbon before doing the coppersafe? I read that it only is active for 72 hours? So by day 5 I could carbon for how long and then do a water change (20%?) and begin copper?
    3) I lowered my SG to 1.024 because the fish should arrive at 1.021 to 1.023 according to the shipper. After I acclimate should I raise the SG or lower it? I do not have fish in my DT yet but thought to keep it at 1.026 which seems to be preferred.
    4) what temperature for pazipro and copper? I have it steady at 77.5 to 77.8 right now.
    5) how often should I do waterchanges and what percentage. I have an ammonia badge but want to stay in front of ammonia spikes. I have dual sponge filters in a 10 Gallon and have bio spiral added after seeding the sponges in my Dt for a month.

    Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks for the awesome information!
     
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    I would wait until you see both fish eat before slowly ramping the Cu level up (5-7 days to reach full therapeutic.)

    Where are the fish coming from? I can usually tell you from that whether to start Prazipro or copper first.

    Hold steady until you are a week or two away from putting them in the DT. Then slowly raise the SG by topping off with saltwater instead of RODI.

    I would lower it to 75-76, so there is more dissolved O2 in the water.

    So long as ammonia remains nil, I only do WCs to suck poop/uneaten food off the bottom.
     
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    Getting both fish from saltwaterfish.com they had a really nice sale on a whitetail bristletooth I couldn't pass up and then I got the free flame angel deal.
     
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    I think I would treat with copper first. In a pinch, you can mix Prazipro with copper but do provide additional gas exchange when combining the two.
     
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    what does in a pinch mean? If I observe flukes or worms? If I dose copper for 4 weeks and I detect nothing should I skip the Prazipro?
     
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    If you are already treating with copper and suspect the fish might also have flukes, then I would use Prazipro in conjunction with copper.

    I (personally) always deworm using prazi whether I see symptoms of worms or not. Either before or after copper.
     
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    Humble, what would happen if I put Prizapro on my blackworms? :rolleyes:
     
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