The Ecotech pump clones have arrived in Ali Express !!!

[b1llvance]

Sounds like they need some freedom brought to their doorstep.

 

[cdnco2004]

WAIT, are you saying America's laws don't apply to the entire world?

A lot of nations have Trade Treaties which recognize and honor each other's patents. The World Trade Organization is a perfect example of that. Members of the WTO agree to abide by specific treaty obligations and Patent holders in a specific WTO nation can block imports of products that infringe upon their patents. This happens a lot. Part of the problem is that nations sovereigns can chose to exempt specific violations. In the cause of the US that is the President. And the President does often choose to waive a domestic companies claim and allow the infringing product to be imported. This happens A LOT.

 

[BeanAnimal]

They aren't exporting them to countries or regions covered by valid patents.

Of course they are.

It's a bit cheeky, but they aren't importing it to the USA, the customer is having an item they purchased shipped to them.

No it is not "a bit cheeky" it is actually really cut and dry. In fact, YOU as the purchaser are technically violating the patent rights of the patent holder by acting as your own importer, and if they are knowingly shipping here they are also violating the law... enforced or not.

There are container loads of this crap confiscated daily, as well as countless individual envelopes and boxes for patent and trademark violations at the border.

Now, Ecotech could probably stop that import if they had a way, or they could take action against Ali Express for inducing patent infringment in the USA,

That has been established.

but Jeboa can make a clone for sale in China, and sell it outside of the USA, Europe and Canada. Good luck enforcing a non-Chinese patent on a Chinese company in China.

Did somebody here indicate otherwise?

I am sorry to be so blunt, but there is an awful lot of hair splitting for the sake of hair splitting going on and it changes nothing that has already been established or understood.

 

[litsoh]

For anyone who has theirs in hand, is the wetside the same size as the Ecotech ones? I might have missed a side by side size comparison somewhere in the 39 pages. I've been thinking of getting one to try but I'd also want to be able to put on one of those nem guards that you can get off Amazon that are sized to the MP lines.

 

[saltcreep74]

You can message the seller and they will sell in smaller quantities. I know someone bought 2 and didn’t have to meet the 10 minimum. Just need to chat ahead of time with the seller

Group buy anyone???

 

[Malcontent]

Let's commission a R2R special edition with 180 mm diameter.

 

[bradreef]

Group buy anyone???

You can buy just 1 or 2 . They don't even have the inventory for a group buy.

 

[Shooter6]

I don't see how suction cups can work for this design of pumps. As far as I knew this design transfers the power via magnetic and suction cups would interfere in that.

Magnetic fields will pass through silicone. I don't know why you think it cannot?

 

[Shooter6]

For anyone who has theirs in hand, is the wetside the same size as the Ecotech ones? I might have missed a side by side size comparison somewhere in the 39 pages. I've been thinking of getting one to try but I'd also want to be able to put on one of those nem guards that you can get off Amazon that are sized to the MP lines.

I'm sure the nem guards will be coming out for these as well.

 

[Shooter6]

Have you ever aligned a Vortech? You have to twist and turn the wet side to get proper alignment. The suction cups are going to inhibit that and the magnetic feeling you get as you align them properly.

You won't know until someone actually does it . I thought the vortech has a sticky pad ?

 

[BeanAnimal]

You won't know until someone actually does it . I thought the vortech has a sticky pad ?

Wouldn’t that mean that they couldn’t fall off?

My friend you are all over the map here, but it sounds like you really don’t know much about the vortech’s that you are so adamantly sure are rip-offs, after all.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Don't let these hurt your mental or physical health.

There is no need to be insulting. I simply pointed out that you appear to contradict your own logic a good bit and don’t appear to really know much about vortech pumps at all, even though you post all kinds of pros and cons vs the Chinese knock-offs that you don’t own yet either…. All while call people fanboys and telling them they are crying.

Vortech pumps are held on by magnetism, not double sided tape. They don’t typically fall off unless they are not aligned properly or used on glass that is thicker than recommended.

 

[braaap]

Ladies and Gentlemen. Mine has arrived. The suction cups are basically the spacers that Ecotech uses. The magnetic coupling is VERY strong. It is very well build. I’d pretty much assume it was made in the same factory. The finish on the dry side is far superior. Easy to clean. Won’t get sticky.

No. The suctions cups don’t make aligning it hard. lol

Overall 100% worth the money.

 

[rtparty]

The “sticky pad” is a wire holder that you zip tie the dry side wire to. If (this really is a giant if) the dry side falls off, the wire holder will keep it from falling to the floor. This is simple common sense that it is a good idea to protect against such things.

You align the unit by moving the wet side around. Up, down, left, right, and even rotating it to find proper alignment. (I mean I’m preaching to the choir here since you already know all this but just in case for those not sure how they work.)

Suction cups are going to make that alignment difficult IMO. Of course, Jebao may not care about this alignment at all since the average Jebao customer seems to be content with “just throw it away and buy new” when they fail. So maybe alignment isn’t important to them and they just plan them to die quicker.

 

[Aaron75]

It's been asked a few times, I'll get out a tape measure and post measurements of my DMP-10. I don't have an Ecotech so maybe an MP10 owner can do something similar.

 

[sawdonkey]

The “sticky pad” is a wire holder that you zip tie the dry side wire to. If (this really is a giant if) the dry side falls off, the wire holder will keep it from falling to the floor. This is simple common sense that it is a good idea to protect against such things.

You align the unit by moving the wet side around. Up, down, left, right, and even rotating it to find proper alignment. (I mean I’m preaching to the choir here since you already know all this but just in case for those not sure how they work.)

Suction cups are going to make that alignment difficult IMO. Of course, Jebao may not care about this alignment at all since the average Jebao customer seems to be content with “just throw it away and buy new” when they fail. So maybe alignment isn’t important to them and they just plan them to die quicker.

I have one in hand. It sticks to the glass with both suction cups and magnets.

 

[mch1984]

I'm just over here excited to try them lol. I was in the market for a couple of powerheads and this thread popped up. The rest has just been entertaining. I have no doubt Vortec pumps are freaking awesome; I can't bring myself to spend that much.

 

[cdnco2004]

I dont recall a sticky pad. But I got rid of my MPs a while ago. Replaced wet side a number of times. My Octo 4s are so much better.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

I have one in hand. It sticks to the glass with both suction cups and magnets.

Can the wetside or dryside slide to fine tunes the coupling? Or have you discovered that proper alignment isn't a huge issue?

 

[Salty2021]

I've seen people got these in. Have they tried them out? Aliexpress wants 123.00 bucks for the dmp10. I'm guessing aibaba has them for 80.00.

I've did the aibaba. But didn't ship and gave me a return