The Ecotech pump clones have arrived in Ali Express !!!

[BeanAnimal]

The CPSIA says that all products imported to the US from any foreign country has to meet our safety standards they set forth….

I have a few big bridges for sale, cheap if you want them. Paperwork and all... even a nice state seal.

There are all kinds of laws and regulations from patent and IP protection to product and materials safety.

Laws and standards only matter for the people willing to follow them.

Any schmoe can print the words "UL Listed" on anything they want.... or CSA certified or Cat5E or 14 Gauge PLENUM RATED or WATERPROOF or whatever they want...

The chances of getting caught are slim and there is not really any means to enforce the laws in this context anyway. Sure some stuff gets caught at the border and some stuff pops up on the radar, but most doesn't.

There are a dozen websites out that that track trade lawsuits and disputes. Your eyes will glaze over. Go read about the Snyder Electric and the millions of deadly knock of SquareD breakers and switch gear that flooded the market years ago and how hard it was to stop it.

We are talking about electronics..... but this holds true for anything that comes from China.

Food and foodstuffs from china? Sure, they will ship chemicals in a boat hold one month and grains or sugar or whatever in the same hold the next month. Wonder why so many imported food products (both human and pet) are contaminated? Ever think that the same dump trucks hauling dirt from the sewer break may be hauling carrots or potatoes or grain the next week?

Yes - China is capable (like any modern industrial nation) of making high quality product and following accepted safety and ethical standards... they just choose not to in many cases.

The scary part is that this crap is making it into all layers of the supply chain, so even "name brand" stuff is at risk of being "Infected" with this crap, be it food or goods.

How do you not kill your dog with tainted food or burn down your aquarium? A start would be not buying the crap to begin with.

Here is a perfect example (we can find countless others)


I ended up with what turned out to be counterfeit Nikon batteries for my DSLR that had holograms and everything. One caught fire during charging so I took at apart. I wish I had the photos, but it was clearly not an OEM battery.

 

[bradreef]

I ordered twice from Aliexpress and they both had standard US plug ends. Wonder if the adapters are being shipped with Alibaba orders only?

Mine was US and baba. Depends on the vendor.

 

[Macbalacano]

I have a few big bridges for sale, cheap if you want them. Paperwork and all... even a nice state seal.

There are all kinds of laws and regulations from patent and IP protection to product and materials safety.

Laws and standards only matter for the people willing to follow them.

Any schmoe can print the words "UL Listed" on anything they want.... or CSA certified or Cat5E or 14 Gauge PLENUM RATED or WATERPROOF or whatever they want...

The chances of getting caught are slim and there is not really any means to enforce the laws in this context anyway. Sure some stuff gets caught at the border and some stuff pops up on the radar, but most doesn't.

There are a dozen websites out that that track trade lawsuits and disputes. Your eyes will glaze over. Go read about the Snyder Electric and the millions of deadly knock of SquareD breakers and switch gear that flooded the market years ago and how hard it was to stop it.

We are talking about electronics..... but this holds true for anything that comes from China.

Food and foodstuffs from china? Sure, they will ship chemicals in a boat hold one month and grains or sugar or whatever in the same hold the next month. Wonder why so many imported food products (both human and pet) are contaminated? Ever think that the same dump trucks hauling dirt from the sewer break may be hauling carrots or potatoes or grain the next week?

Yes - China is capable (like any modern industrial nation) of making high quality product and following accepted safety and ethical standards... they just choose not to in many cases.

The scary part is that this crap is making it into all layers of the supply chain, so even "name brand" stuff is at risk of being "Infected" with this crap, be it food or goods.

How do you not kill your dog with tainted food or burn down your aquarium? A start would be not buying the crap to begin with.

Here is a perfect example (we can find countless others)


I ended up with what turned out to be counterfeit Nikon batteries for my DSLR that had holograms and everything. One caught fire during charging so I took at apart. I wish I had the photos, but it was clearly not an OEM battery.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but I do think that there is a while spectrum of 'bad' products all over the world - including made in USA products where American companies have also chosen profits over people's health and safety.

The most glaring and obvious one of recent history is Boeing. How many people need to die before they decide to stop cutting corners?

My point is - it is difficult to tell people to stop buying 'bad' Chinese products. Is that any different from telling people to stop buying 'bad' American products?

I think at the end of the day - you can have good and bad products made anywhere in the world these days.

And quite frankly, there is a decent amount of 'good' Chinese products - including in this hobby. I am not necessarily convinced that just because it is an American brand and/or manufactured by an American company, that the product will be 'good' or 'better' than products from other parts of the world.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I understand the point you are trying to make, but I do think that there is a while spectrum of 'bad' products all over the world - including made in USA products where American companies have also chosen profits over people's health and safety.

That is a straw man - There is no reasonable comparison.

The most glaring and obvious one of recent history is Boeing. How many people need to die before they decide to stop cutting corners?

Don't conflate systemic mismanagement with willful disregard and/or absolute intent to defraud.

My point is - it is difficult to tell people to stop buying 'bad' Chinese products. Is that any different from telling people to stop buying 'bad' American products?

That fact that you can't put your finger on the difference is (honestly) stunning. Hint - one is just a greedy company, the other a government with eyes on global economic control.

I think at the end of the day - you can have good and bad products made anywhere in the world these days.

That point was clearly made already. The problem is that there are very few actual controls to keep the proportionally high volume of fraudulent, infringing, or just low quality goods out of the market.

If you wish to ignore the irrefutable evidence and statistics and gamble, that is up to you.

 

[Tamberav]

I have a few big bridges for sale, cheap if you want them. Paperwork and all... even a nice state seal.

There are all kinds of laws and regulations from patent and IP protection to product and materials safety.

Laws and standards only matter for the people willing to follow them.

Any schmoe can print the words "UL Listed" on anything they want.... or CSA certified or Cat5E or 14 Gauge PLENUM RATED or WATERPROOF or whatever they want...

The chances of getting caught are slim and there is not really any means to enforce the laws in this context anyway. Sure some stuff gets caught at the border and some stuff pops up on the radar, but most doesn't.

There are a dozen websites out that that track trade lawsuits and disputes. Your eyes will glaze over. Go read about the Snyder Electric and the millions of deadly knock of SquareD breakers and switch gear that flooded the market years ago and how hard it was to stop it.

We are talking about electronics..... but this holds true for anything that comes from China.

Food and foodstuffs from china? Sure, they will ship chemicals in a boat hold one month and grains or sugar or whatever in the same hold the next month. Wonder why so many imported food products (both human and pet) are contaminated? Ever think that the same dump trucks hauling dirt from the sewer break may be hauling carrots or potatoes or grain the next week?

Yes - China is capable (like any modern industrial nation) of making high quality product and following accepted safety and ethical standards... they just choose not to in many cases.

The scary part is that this crap is making it into all layers of the supply chain, so even "name brand" stuff is at risk of being "Infected" with this crap, be it food or goods.

How do you not kill your dog with tainted food or burn down your aquarium? A start would be not buying the crap to begin with.

Here is a perfect example (we can find countless others)


I ended up with what turned out to be counterfeit Nikon batteries for my DSLR that had holograms and everything. One caught fire during charging so I took at apart. I wish I had the photos, but it was clearly not an OEM battery.

I avoid buying certain things on amazon because so many fakes. They fake it right down to the packaging.

 

[Dburr1014]

I avoid buying certain things on amazon because so many fakes. They fake it right down to the packaging.

I avoid buying Bridges. The upkeep is too much for my wallet. LOL

 

[14A]

Made in China is the new Made in Germany from the late 19th century. Hopefully it will turn into Made in Germany from our era.

 

[Alex’s_Mini_Reef]

Update I unfortunately had to ditch my 2 DMP-10 , 10mm glass didn’t hold it had a slight sag and created some excess vibration. On my back wall with vinyl it would fall right off after a couple seconds. Potentially will consider the DMP-20 and hope the flow will be not to much for a 32G Tank .

 

[SliceGolfer]

@KalamazooReefer - Are you receiving royalties for this site using your review?

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[bradreef]

Update I unfortunately had to ditch my 2 DMP-10 , 10mm glass didn’t hold it had a slight sag and created some excess vibration. On my back wall with vinyl it would fall right off after a couple seconds. Potentially will consider the DMP-20 and hope the flow will be not to much for a 32G Tank .

This is interesting, they say it works up to 15 mm but you had issues at 10? Did you have it attached above via the cord?

 

[Dragen Fiend]

Update I unfortunately had to ditch my 2 DMP-10 , 10mm glass didn’t hold it had a slight sag and created some excess vibration. On my back wall with vinyl it would fall right off after a couple seconds. Potentially will consider the DMP-20 and hope the flow will be not to much for a 32G Tank .

I got 8mm with DMP-20 and that sucker is on tight. I can't imagine 2mm would make it fall.

 

[Alex’s_Mini_Reef]

This is interesting, they say it works up to 15 mm but you had issues at 10? Did you have it attached above via the cord?

I tried with the cord up and the suction holder to add some support , but seems like the magnets are not strong enough ,it heavily relying on the suction cups to do the work but on the motor side it slight lift out causing it make more noise than I’d like , it did it for both pumps so it shouldn’t be a defective unit. On my back wall it’s another story instantly fall after a few seconds.

 

[Alex’s_Mini_Reef]

I got 8mm with DMP-20 and that sucker is on tight. I can't imagine 2mm would make it fall.

Yea the DMP-10 Definitely doesn’t stick , I had a MP-10 prior and that sucker had a strong magnet but I think it mainly designed to be reliant on the suction cups as mentioned , I placed a order for a single DMP-20 so we shall test again in a couple weeks

 

[bradreef]

I tried with the cord up and the suction holder to add some support , but seems like the magnets are not strong enough ,it heavily relying on the suction cups to do the work but on the motor side it slight lift out causing it make more noise than I’d like , it did it for both pumps so it shouldn’t be a defective unit. On my back wall it’s another story instantly fall after a few seconds.

If it is fastened to the glass, it shouldn't tilt out.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Citric acid is slightly more acidic than vinegar, I would like to know what exactly makes one safe and the other not? They are both acids.

I am skeptical that's not "just something people say" which is common in this hobby.

I was reading this thread and did not see what I think is the answer to this question.

I do not personally know if vinegar is an issue for pumps, and if it is, under exactly what circumstances. But if it is, there’s a simple chemical explanation that I have posted elsewhere.

It is not the acidity of the solution that matters. Diluted muriatic acid is much more acidic than vinegar, but seems to not be an issue.

The issue is how readily these acids penetrate plastic. Acetic acid in vinegar is far more likely to penetrate into hydrophobic materials than is the larger and much more hydrophilic citric acid. There’s a chemical measure called log P that quantifies this, and it shows that acetic acid penetrates into octanol (a hydrophobic liquid) more than 20 times more than citric acid does.

Thus, acetic acid brings acid into contact with more of the plastic, causing acid catalyzed breakdown of many plastics.

Citric acid does not like hydrophobic environments nearly as much, and even if it did, its larger size reduces diffusion into plastic.

HCl as an entity will readily penetrate hydrophobic materials, but there is virtually no HCl in diluted muriatic acid used to clean pumps (it is all ionized into H+ and Cl-) and so even though it is much more acidic than vinegar, the H+ itself won’t diffuse into plastic from muriatic acid.

Hope this helps…

 

[Eric R.]

I have a few big bridges for sale, cheap if you want them. Paperwork and all... even a nice state seal.

There are all kinds of laws and regulations from patent and IP protection to product and materials safety.

Laws and standards only matter for the people willing to follow them.

Any schmoe can print the words "UL Listed" on anything they want.... or CSA certified or Cat5E or 14 Gauge PLENUM RATED or WATERPROOF or whatever they want...

The chances of getting caught are slim and there is not really any means to enforce the laws in this context anyway. Sure some stuff gets caught at the border and some stuff pops up on the radar, but most doesn't.

There are a dozen websites out that that track trade lawsuits and disputes. Your eyes will glaze over. Go read about the Snyder Electric and the millions of deadly knock of SquareD breakers and switch gear that flooded the market years ago and how hard it was to stop it.

We are talking about electronics..... but this holds true for anything that comes from China.

Food and foodstuffs from china? Sure, they will ship chemicals in a boat hold one month and grains or sugar or whatever in the same hold the next month. Wonder why so many imported food products (both human and pet) are contaminated? Ever think that the same dump trucks hauling dirt from the sewer break may be hauling carrots or potatoes or grain the next week?

Yes - China is capable (like any modern industrial nation) of making high quality product and following accepted safety and ethical standards... they just choose not to in many cases.

The scary part is that this crap is making it into all layers of the supply chain, so even "name brand" stuff is at risk of being "Infected" with this crap, be it food or goods.

How do you not kill your dog with tainted food or burn down your aquarium? A start would be not buying the crap to begin with.

Here is a perfect example (we can find countless others)


I ended up with what turned out to be counterfeit Nikon batteries for my DSLR that had holograms and everything. One caught fire during charging so I took at apart. I wish I had the photos, but it was clearly not an OEM battery.

I don’t think you make a bad point in general, but Jebao has been making gear for the hobby for a while now, and as far as I’m aware has developed a reasonable reputation for reliable and safe products.

If there’s evidence that Jebao products are more likely to be dangerous or defective than their competitors I’m interested in seeing it. I’m not planning to buy the DMP, but I do use other Jebao pumps.

 

[Schulks]

If there’s evidence that Jebao products are more likely to be dangerous or defective than their competitors I’m interested in seeing it.

I have a few small jebao pumps and, for more than one of them, when unplugged they shoot a spark out. Evidence for me to see i guess..

 

[SpyC]

Ecotech forced RB to take down their review

 

[SpyC]

I have a few small jebao pumps and, for more than one of them, when unplugged they shoot a spark out. Evidence for me to see i guess..

This is not uncommon for a number of devices, but the spark is a bit large with jebao devices

 

[Dorsetsteve]

Ecotech forced RB to take down their review

Is that confirmed?