Why do you have another breed of dog other than wolf? You're just messing with nature, aren't wolves beautiful enough?
The most beautiful Clownfish I've ever seen!
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Why do you have another breed of dog other than wolf? You're just messing with nature, aren't wolves beautiful enough?
salty joe
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Guppies, clowns, cats, etc., their animals. People have always manipulated their characteristics and always will. But the more I look at all these goofed up clown fish, the less I like them. To each his own.
thehammer1985
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Oh oh oh I wanna be part of this. So bear with me here but how do we know these traits are "defects" obviously the starting point for all these breeds were found in the wild(I'm not saying how far they have taken it is found). Whose to say that these fish were on the evolutionary uprising. Now let's imagine you breed 2 of these fish that wouldn't happen in the wild until there is more prevalence of them in the ocean. Well bam now you made it happen earlier. And as you keep breeding this "superior gene" the continue to reach there evolutionary maturity. Now I'm not saying this is the case but it's definitely probable. Do you think the cuttle fish just thought one day in its evolutionary process "man I wanna be able to flash colors".I really do not see this as negative gene manipulation until bone/organ/gait is effected also if you are manipulating alleles by gene splicing. Now on the other hand if us as hobbyistrs continue to purchase these "designer clowns" for astronomical prices and these ridiculously named corals we can look forward to the continued price gauging that is happening in our hobby. I can still remember walking in to a lfs and seeing a frag tank with 10,20,35 dollar frags . Now for a decent frag you'd be hard pressed to find for 80-200.
cobast
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Perhaps they should put some effort into breeding out the aggression of clowns, particularly in the females. I hate that they bully the little guy into a dark corner and limit his feeding.
Snyder1456
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I agree 100%I don't know guys? I started this hobby because this guyI truly think he looks better. Just my opinion.
40B Knasty
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I lost him (Bullet), but my last bar gray clown was different and looked awesome. Not digging the blue at all. Maroon clowns are my favorite, but just to mean and also to big.
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I took a good look at my clown fishes after seeing that picture and mine actually have some blue on them. This one has more blue than the other one. It's was hard to get a good picture but you can still see it in this picture. Much more noticeable in person.
I don't know guys? I started this hobby because this guyI truly think he looks better. Just my opinion.
Another plus one for this. I showed VR28woman a variety of designer clowns, and she liked the original ocellaris the best.
Lol, true, but original dogs originally came from a roughly 40 to 60 pound animal.
The working breeds that stayed in that range and didn't try to create something bizarre like a pushed in nose are generally pretty healthy.
Some of the more extreme breeds are a genetic nightmare unable to even give birth without a C-section.
It just depends on how 'exotic' you get with the breeding.
The clownfish are no different. How limited a gene pool are you working with to create that beautiful blue clownfish?
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DracoKat
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I like all clowns, they all are uniquely different. I am partial to the standard orange and white ones- they were my first saltwater fish and they have a special place in my heart. I will always have at least one for as long as I am in the hobby.
I have a female standard one that's approaching 4 years. Her mate died year and half ago so I got a black phantom for her. They are a breeding bonded pair.
I also have a pair of frostbites (in a different tank of course)- one of them I am not sure if it is a frostbite, there's no black on him at all. Orange and white.
I have a female standard one that's approaching 4 years. Her mate died year and half ago so I got a black phantom for her. They are a breeding bonded pair.
I also have a pair of frostbites (in a different tank of course)- one of them I am not sure if it is a frostbite, there's no black on him at all. Orange and white.
Are you assuming the "Natural" looking clowns just popped up looking the way they do in the ocean? I can assure you they didn't start out looking that way. Evolution did that to them, it just took a lot longer than breeders are doing with them currently. BTW there's plenty of oddities within a particular species in the ocean as it is, traits that exist within a species like say clownfish that naturally happen in the ocean.
Just because a breeder breeds towards a specific trait that naturally already exists doesn't mean that the end result will render that fish in this case disease prone or unable to function properly. Like another person already mentioned you may very well have a dog as a pet and in that case humans have played a role to make that animal more pleasing whether it came in the form of temperament or aesthetics.
My comment about dog breeds wasn't very clear. Sorry about that.
I think a number of dog breeds suck and the original creators of those breeds should be have been penalized somehow.
"Knowing when to say when" doesn't just apply to alcohol abuse.
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We own a collection of each of the colors of the Glofish tetras. (Yes, I am financially supporting the "deformaties" industry) And a regular black tetra as a baseline. Black original is 4+ years old.
The beautiful genetic mashup color pops live for about a year-and-a-half.
Something usually gets sacrificed when something else gets added/changed.
Right now (AFAIK) the clownfish breeders are still doing traditional cross breeding and back crossing.
Some of the results are stunning and quite beautiful!
But I always wonder what traits are sacrificed and what defects are being amplified in the process.
(Many pure white dogs go deaf. Even without creating obvious physical deformaties, overall size, elongated limbs or trunk, something as simple as a color change can have unexpected results)
Some alterations can be useful.
Salmon that grow twice as fast to bring to market much sooner are intriguing.
As 'food' fish, the changes made may not be as critical.
As fish that will inevitably 'escape' to wild population, who knows.
(Some of the current possible rules for approval involve only growing the genetically altered salmon in landlocked areas far from the ocean. We will see how long that lasts)
Science and technology are awesome!
What we do with them is usually awesome. Not always.
In general we're basically throwing live stock from the ocean into a petri dish in this hobby so IMO i don't have a leg to stand on when talking about what a breeder does...just my two cents.
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I think nemo is the most beautiful. How could anyone deny that face?
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Florida Sunshine
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I love my Picasso clown.
As long as they stick with selective breeding, I am good with it. My clown seems perfectly happy and healthy and the only reason she no longer has a mate is because she chased him out of the tank.
Darn female clowns.
As long as they stick with selective breeding, I am good with it. My clown seems perfectly happy and healthy and the only reason she no longer has a mate is because she chased him out of the tank.
Darn female clowns.
Marie7
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I like that fish, but does it really exist?I'm holding out for when these are back out
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