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Big week in our reef keeping journey...
A little over two years ago a local family opened an LFS a mile from where I live. It's called Biggs Lagoon. The Nelsons are kind, helpful, dedicated, and very much out to help people like me succeed. That's what gave me the courage to start getting serious about keeping a reef tank.
I bought a whole setup from them shortly after they opened shop, a JB 65 tank and stand. Here's how it looked about a month ago:
I put a lot of hear and soul into that tank. I also outgrew it and learned a ton in the process. Which is why I decided to pull the trigger on my RS Reefer 850 G2.
I also promised my wife our house wouldn't ever look like the downtown aquarium...and, in truth, maintaining one tank brings me a ton of joy but with my schedule having to maintain two would be too much. So I decided to sell the JBJ 65. First, I moved all my "nicer" corals to the RSR 850. Then, this past Tuesday, the Biggs boys came over and helped me tear down the JBJ, catch the fish, and move them to the bigger tank. That evening a young reefer came over and bought my entire JBJ 65 setup off me so he could start his journey keeping corals.
So now that space looks like this:
Bittersweet, for sure.
But with every bitter moment comes a sweet one....
I now have my first of 3 tangs in the 850! Mango the Tango (my white-tailed bristletooth) was moved from the JBJ along with Melton the Melanurus wrasse and Graham the world's biggest Royal Gramma (he's easily 4+ inches and looks like a swimming cigar).
I also got my replacement Exquisite wrasse from @Dr. Reef yesterday. He looks great today!
Next week I'll be getting a Gem tang and Blonde Naso tang from @tsmaquatics (they were supposed to arrive the same day of the JBJ tear down so all 3 tangs would go in together but TSM had an emergency on the shipping day and had to delay it.)
It's all coming together! Now to fill that rock space with my favorite corals...when's the next coral show???
Thanks for following! Biggs is the bomb. Just love them.I live in Brighton, Bigs set met me up with my used Redsea 260, good people. Anyhow I’m following your journey. I’m cycling my rock in a tub now about ready to fill the tank just waiting for aquaBiomics to get some rock/sand back in stock. I’m really hoping ur ugly stage goes by fast.
I’m just using XLM, cycle is complete. I’m think of just ordering live rock rubble from Tampa Bay Saltwater and risk it. Get the tank going and leave lights off for 2 months with only 2 clowns so the biome can seed. I’m using dead Marco rock that I acid bath and cured. I don’t have a build thread I’ll start when the tank is filled. Man U are sure hitting your tank hard I wish u best of luck.Thanks for following! Biggs is the bomb. Just love them.
Im excited for your new setup! So fun setting up a tank. What kind of rock are you cycling? What did you seed it with? I hope you can get the AquaBiomics sand/rock…just love what they doing to help us develop a healthy biome in our tanks. Do you have a build thread?
I’ve been pretty happy with how the uglies have gone in my tank. A couple of weeks ago I increased my lighting intensity…I’m slowly trying to get all my sticks to 300ish PAR. Definitely seeing more film on the glass as the tank adjusts to the more intense light but the uglies haven’t really gotten any worse.
Thinking back I might have gone two months with no light instead of one but overall I’m happy with how things are going.
Been out of town most of the week for work but back home now. Last weekend I glued down the 15 SPS frags I’ve been holding for this tank. Today I was just enjoying the fish all happy soon shot a little video:
Kinda funny…when they were on the frag rack it looked like so many sticks! Glued down in the is beast it looks like almost nothing. Grow little guys…you can do it!
What a rough turn of events! Seems like you're being as thoughtful and level-headed about all of it as possible. How are things now a few weeks later?Well, things sure went south on me. I've learned a lot these last few weeks...
This is a long update because a lot has happened. This past month has been a litany of issues.
Dino's: My nutrients bottomed out in October. Slowly, but surely, dinos took over. I finally got a microscope and confirmed I had a breakout of small cell amphidinium. It got bad enough to impact corals and I lost a head from my old Todd's Torch colony. Eventually, two other torch colonies succumbed to the mess. I think they were stressed enough to have BJD take over them.
The tank got SUPER ugly, including the water column looking like a bacterial bloom (which I now believe was just the dinos).
Flukes: I've been careful to only get fish from reputable, quarantined sources. The three fish that moved to this tank from my old tank came from quarantined sources and I had an AquaBiomics eDNA test run on my old tank prior to moving, confirming no detectable diseases or parasites. In early November I had two tangs (a gem and blonde naso) shipped to me from TSM Aquatics. The shipment was delayed so they were in transit for over48 hours. They arrived stressed but generally OK and bounced back quickly in my tank. However, 3-4 days later the naso started looking bad...hanging on the sand bed beneath an outcropping and not really eating. Over the day he got worse so I moved him to a small hospital tank with supplemental oxygen and methylene blue. He died several hours later. That's when the badness began, fish-wise.
The next weekend my royal gramma, who I've had for over 2 years and is as fat and happy a fish as anyone, started behaving oddly one evening. The next morning he was laying on the sand bed, no motion. I thought he was dead but when I went to remove him he jerked and started breathing heavy. So I moved him to a hospital tank where he died a few hours later.
The next morning I woke up to find my female bellus angel dead on the sand. Later that morning my male lyretail anthias quickly declined and died. A day or so later my bristletooth tang started showing clear signs of black ich (flukes).
Mystery disease: I'm fairly certain now I have some sort of secondary disease in my tank. Not sure what or where it came from (I suspect that blonde naso brought something with it). As you'll read below, I treated the flukes with praziquantel multiple times and still lost my midas blenny afterward. That, combined with how the other fish died, has me convinced there is something else (perhaps velvet?) going on.
Torches/Gonis: Just before the dinos got really bad my torches and gonis started acting upset, not really extending, and I lost a head of a Todd's Torch. I'm certain this was stress from both the bottomed out nutrients and the dinos growing everywhere. However, in the past 3 days I've lost two torches (the two that were most stressed during the bad dino phase) to BJD.
WHAT I DID:
For the dinos...
In just 2+ weeks of this I've seen significant improvement. My sand bed is probably 80% white now and I bet I've eliminated roughly 70% of all dinos. I do have some patches of cyano now but nothing terrible and I think if I stay the course that will resolve eventually as well. The tank is so much cleaner...I can see through the water column from end to end now!
- Got a microscope and confirmed SCA
- Stopped water changes
- Ran an ICP test and corrected all trace elements
- Stopped dosing liquid aminos
- Continued dosing live phyto daily
- Added 128 oz of 7-species blend copepods from Jay's Reef Bugs
- Testing nitrates and phosphates daily, dosing NeoNitro and NeoPhos to maintain 100:1 ratio of 3-5 nitrates, 0.03 - 0.05 phosphates
- Dosing beneficial bacteria daily, rotating between Microbacter7, EcoBalance, and AF LifeSource
- Ordered 8 pounds of Tampa Bay Live Rock rubble, arriving in 2 days
For the fish....
Although I am still ramping up the H2O2 and have not reached "therapeutic" levels yet I can see improvement in my fish. They are more active, out and about, no more flashing, color returned, appetite strong.
- Dosed PraziPro to the tank according to instructions. Planned on dosing 7 days later per typical recommendations.
- On Day 6 my midas blenny began actively flashing, "chasing his tail", and swimming primarily at the top of the water column. Later that day I found noticeable white "salt" on his body.
- Thinking it was a resistant strain of flukes, per advice, I dosed PraziPro again on Days 6, 8, and planned for Day 10.
- On Day 9 the Midas Blenny deteriorated quickly - laying on the sand, breathing heavy, pale - and died within a few hours.
- At this point my tang had improved significantly. No visible signs of flukes at all, better appetite, more active...but still acting a bit odd (mostly staying in caves and under ledges, very jumpy, still a bit pale in color).
- Instead of dosing PraziPro, I applied carbon to the tank and started this regiment of hydrogen peroxide dosing.
- Planning on dosing the peroxide for at least 8 weeks.
- I'll also be running both Aquabiomics biome and eDNA tests this week and then again after the 8+ weeks of peroxide dosing.
For the torches...
- I started a round of ciprofloxacin yesterday.
- I have carbon in the tank now - that combined with the peroxide dosing will reduce efficacy of the cipro. But with two cases of BJD close to each other and no other coral hospital option, I felt the need to do something.
- I'm dosing at a little higher than 0.125 mg/L (more like 0.14 mg/L) to try and compensate.
- I'll dose every other day for 4 treatments unless I see more BJD
This past month has been a rollercoaster. I feel like I've learned some hard lessons:
- It is critical to establish a healthy biome in a new tank. Starting from dry rock is possible if it is supplemented by a source (or sources) of healthy, diverse, balanced biome elsewhere....and that biome has enough time to fully establish
- It is critical to track nutrients closely while a new tank establishes and equalizes. Do not let nutrients bottom out!
- Having reputable, trustworthy sources for "clean" fish is important. And nothing is 100%. I see the value in having an at-home QT setup. I also see the value in having a QT vendor who doesn't just treat fish for 30 days, but holds them a few weeks after treatment to be sure they are solid.
- It's helpful to have a microscope. At first I thought the brown stuff in my tank was crysophytes and figured it would resolve on its own over time as the fuel from the dry rock was consumed (I went through this with another tank). Our eyes cannot replace a microscope. Perhaps if I had confirmed dinos a few weeks earlier I could have avoided the loss of coral.
- Despite our best efforts, something will eventually go wrong. It's discouraging, heartbreaking, and emotionally expensive. Persistence and perseverance is critical to this hobby. So is a supportive spouse
Thanks! Certainly trying my best to stay level-headed and work through things.What a rough turn of events! Seems like you're being as thoughtful and level-headed about all of it as possible. How are things now a few weeks later?
Now if I can just get the WiFi/new app figured out for my @ATI North America Stratons.....
Started with Marco dry rock for the aquascape and around 120lb of OceanDirect live sand. Seeded after cycling with mud and sand from ISPF.Talk to me about your systrn biological filtration.