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I just accidentally figured out today that they sent me Vibrant for "saltwater aquariums" instead of Vibrant for reef aquariums and that I was using it for weeks in my reef tank without paying attention to what is written on the bottle knowing what I ordered..... :rolleyes:

I didn't notice any problems during the dosing though.
Can anyone please explain the difference between Vibrant for reef and vibrant for saltwater tank?
Should I stop dosing it in my reef tank?
 

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im Assuming this is more for an overrun tank vs just some algae
Not at all. I have tried other things but had a difficult time getting a super clean tank, this was a fight for 30 years. Every water change would give me GHA on surfaces due to chemistry of my water, could never figure it out. Tried fuges, and algae mats, chaeto, I tried it all. Nothing ever worked less then fluconazole but it was always a temporary fix. Vibrant is the only thing that has worked great. Im dosing 2 times a week, and using reef blend. Ill be cutting dosage in half and going to every two weeks shortly. Honestly, this is the most algae free my tanks have ever been, less when i rebuild my DSB or have switched to a new tank. One time I kept my liverock in tubs in basement for 8 months to kill the algae.
 

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Hello Everyone,

We had been asked to come on this forum and answer a few questions about Vibrant for a few users here in different threads. We thought it would be a good idea to start a discussion thread about Vibrant, how it was created, what is it, how it works, etc. Then there will be a place for people to ask questions, where they will be kept together so people can come back and read then.

I think most, or a lot of people have heard of or have seen Vibrant by now, but have no idea what it is. What is a "liquid Aquarium Cleaner"? What does, "Brightens and Cleans Aquariums in as little as 12 hours mean"? A lot of people instantly think, that's snake oil. No product can do that! As time has gone on and people have seen users actually getting amazing results with Vibrant, those words have slowly faded away. There are always going to be the doubters, but that is ok. Everyone has there way of doing things and we are more then ok with that. Vibrant is not a product that replaces good aquarium husbandry and upkeep, it is a product that works very well along with a well taken aquarium.

So where did Vibrant Liquid Aquarium Cleaner originate from?

Vibrant has been available to the public for almost a year now and had been in the works two years prior to that. We teamed up with a group of scientists to actually create something that will rid algae from aquariums. We tried hundreds of different things and different combinations of things before we found something that actually worked liked we wanted it to without harming anything that we keep in our aquariums. This product was solely used by us to make sure our clients aquariums always looked perfect. We build, install and maintain aquariums all over our home state including many aquariums that are in public spaces and are always in the public eye. After the creation of Vibrant, we would go on a service visit, service the aquarium, come back two weeks later and the tank looked just like we had been there the day before. People noticed this, and started asking us about how we keep our aquariums so clean?! Our answer was, we make our own liquid aquarium cleaner. The next question would always be, do you sell it? Which we replied, no, we do not. As more and more people started asking and the demand kept growing we thought, maybe the public would like this product too. So after some legwork, at the beginning of 2016, we started offering Vibrant to the public.


Vibrant Liquid Aquarium Cleaner Ingredients -

95% Cultured Bacteria Blend
1% Amino Acids (Aspartic Acid)
0.5% Vinegar - This is used as the preservative
3.5% Other Ingredients (RO/DI Water)

Vibrant Liquid Aquarium Cleaner Dosing Instructions -

For a very well taken care of, clean aquarium, add 1ml of Vibrant per 10 gallons of aquarium water once every 2 weeks.
For a dirtier aquarium, add 1ml of Vibrant per 10 gallons of aquarium water once per week.
If you are battling Bryopsis or Turf algae, dose 1ml of Vibrant two times per week.

There is no need to discontinue the use of any mechanical or biological filtration while using Vibrant.
Vibrant is safe with all fish, corals and invertebrates.


Vibrant works differently in every aquarium. Some people see almost instant results and some people will have to do multiple treatments for it to kick in and take over. If the first dose knocks it out, great! If not, follow the dosing schedule and sooner than later you will have a clean Vibrant aquarium also :)

What algae strains does Vibrant rid and how fast does it work?

Vibrant is a true beast and we have not yet come across a algae that Vibrant can not beat out. Below I will list a general timeline of how fast Vibrant works on frequent algae strains that cause issues in reef aquariums.

Cloudy/hazy Water- 1 dose
Diatoms - 1-2 doses
Cyanobacteria - (Yes, it will outcompete another bacteria) 1-5 doses
Dinoflagellates - 2-5 doses
Bubble algae - 3-8 doses
Hair Algae - 3-5 doses (depending on species of hair and how bad the infestation is)
Turf Algae - 8-20 doses ( again, depending on species and how bad the infestation is)
Bryopsis - 6-30 doses ( again, depending on species and how bad the infestation is)


There are a lot of factors that come into play for how fast it rids a certain algae strain in one persons tank verses another. The cleaner and the better your aquarium is maintained, the faster you are going to see results. It will clean neglected tanks also, it just takes more time as the bacteria population has to grow to consume and outcompete the algae. Generally it is very fast acting and people see very positive results after their first dose, some as soon as a few hours later.

How Does Vibrant Liquid Aquarium Cleaner work?

This is the tricky part to explain. There are a few different strains of bacteria that play different roles in ridding the algae. One of the strains, works to convert No3 and Po4 into biomass, which then is easily removed via protein skimming and or water changes. Some of the biomass will also be consumed by live corals. This strain is also very good at going after organic settlement and reducing it significantly. Here is where it gets harder to explain, the function of one of the other bacteria is to actual go in and cling to the algae and consume them turning their waste then into biomass also which is then utilized by the corals or later removed by protein skimming or water changes. The beautiful thing is, this is not like using some crazy algaecide that just leaves a bomb of nutrients in your tank as the algae die leading you on a downward spiral of issue after issue. Once your algae issue is gone, you can stop dosing vibrant or you can simply use it as part of your routine maintenance to keep your tank looking nice and clean all the time.

Vibrant Disclaimer-

Vibrant can be very deceiving. It can make your aquarium look so clean that you will think you can skip your regular routine aquarium maintenance of water changes, filter cleanings, etc. We highly recommend that you do not skip these but that you use Vibrant in conjunction with your normal aquarium routine for a happy, Vibrant aquarium.

How do we use Vibrant?

We use Vibrant in all of our aquariums and all of our clients aquariums. We take very good care of our tanks so generally we follow the dosing schedule of 1ml per 10 gallons every two weeks. We generally start using Vibrant on new aquariums a couple weeks after setup as we find it does not actually mess with the cycling of the aquarium, but it sure does make it look better during it :)

I am sure I have missed a lot of things people would like to know so lets use this as a questions/discussions thread. Hopefully we can get some users to chime in as well with how it has worked for them and how they like it.

Thanks,
Jeff
Owner- Underwater Creations, Inc.
www.uwcmn.com
Thanks alot for this. I would add one more thing:

Follow the directions. Do not be impatient.

I say this all the time to people with questions - but with vibrant I was impatient. I thought if a little works, more will do it 'faster'. It was a disaster with a lot of coral death - which occurred very shortly after dosing - and no other changes (And its not like I poured a whole bottle in, but lets just say I was 'very impatient' lol). Now - on the algae front - it all resolved, with no recurrence.

In freshwater - where I had some hair algae in a discus tank - it worked quite well. the water is indeed crystal clear. Overall - I think its an excellent product.
 
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I tried on my existing tank (I plan on starting it over anyways to change the scape) just to see if it would do anything on my GHA problem. I have used it in the past successfully and I have also had it wipe out tanks full of acros. This time, after 9 weeks of normal dosing, it wiped out about half of the acros. Definitely have to be careful using the stuff......wish I could figure out why it helps on one tank but not another. Nutrients never bottomed out (or really changed at all) on any of the tanks I have tried dosing it on.
 

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I had GHA and diatoms all over my tank and started Vibrant (saltwater version), 1 dose at my first week and it did cleared my diatoms and they were all in my filter.

2nd week, I started dosing twice a week since the GHA is still there.

I'm on 3rd week now of dosing twice weekly and my GHA is still fluffy and I think is taking over one part of a rock (growing and not receding).

I am also having issues with my nutrients, before dosing I had 0 nitrate and 0-0.03 of phosphates. This was probably because of the algae consuming it and giving me that reading or the effects of my Nopox dosing which I stopped for 2 weeks prior to Vibrant due to my nutrients becoming zero.

Anyway, I am back to dosing Nopox now and I want to know if Vibrant lessens the effects of Nopox? My Nitrate is at 40 and Phosphates at 0.25 since 2 weeks ago when I lost my diatoms.

It's also unusual that my Nopox is not causing my skimmer to skim more than it used to. Is Vibrant affecting it?
 

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@UWC Hi, I'm hoping you can help shed light on an issue. I've been using Vibrant to battle bubble algae for about 6 weeks or so. SPS tank, mostly acros and some montis. I typically dose nitrate and phosphate already and have continued to do so, levels have largely remained stable, maybe increased a tad. However, some corals are going pale and the montis appear to be most affected. Any idea why this might happen? Nitrate has remained 5-10 ppm, phosphate 0.03-0.05 ppm. Does vibrant interact with organic vs inorganic sources of nitrate and phosphate in different ways that could lead to this, even while test numbers are fine?

As a separate question, I have historically run this tank with no skimmer and very few water changes. I dose everything and had a very good ICP test recently. Your advice is to continue our regular export/husbandry, but is there a limit to that? Would someone in my situation have to do some things differently than my "usual" while using Vibrant based on how it works? Could this somehow be related to the issue above?

Thanks in advance!!
 

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Would someone in my situation have to do some things differently than my "usual" while using Vibrant based on how it works?
Id rethink your whole ballgame. Large water changes needed when using anything to get the die off out of the tank. Your water sounds way to dirty for me. I would never dose nitrate and phosphate ever. For SPS? nope. Id use a skimmer too . Test? I view coral health, not test. There has been a bad trend with a lot of bad advise the last 5 years about higher levels of nitrates and phosphates and a lot of people following this bad advise that never existed in the 3 decades prior to this recent joke. Only the most clean of the cleanest tanks could use a little extra nutrients. You have taken it to another level. Hence the algae. Id do 100% water changes and dose flucanzole and after a month do more water changes and use vibrant to help maintain the clean. Im not an SPS guy but mine never survived your water conditions
 

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Water too dirty for SPS? Poll some SPS guru's about what their level of nutrients are, I think you would be surprised. Not too many people keep ULN systems anymore, we know better now. If your not an SPS guy, why would you suggest his water is to "dirty" for SPS? Why dispense advice when you admittingly don't keep those corals?

I personally dose nitrates and phosphates. I keep my levels around 10 to 20ppm nitrates and 0.1 to 0.2 phosphates. SPS color up and actually grow instead of having that dry pastel look to them you usually see in ULN systems.

In the 3 previous decades, we didn't keep the sensitive corals we keep now. Heck 3 decades ago we didn't even keep SPS. And you would consider yourself a coral master if you could even keep an LPS alive long term.

Some of the worst advice I've seen on these boards yet.
 

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And you would consider yourself a coral master if you could even keep an LPS alive long term.
Nonsense. I grow and sell coral professionally, and have had successful SPS in the past., I might not have the long term success you have had, growing cyano in 2020 andnot being able to deal with it! and you killing SPS, Me? im only 30 years in this hobby and only Paul B has a tank up and running longer than mine. FACT is homer if he has bubble algae then he took his HNT to far. So before you criticize you might getting a little experience under your belt and quit falling for current trends. Here is a pic from today, I dont have your problems or the problems of the guy I was trying to help. Guess what, I learned the hard way and dont want to see Ceaver making mistakes I have in the past.
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You do know all that show shows me, you have a lot of stressed BTA's. BTa's only split when stressed or get too big.

I don't fall for current trends, I have been keeping saltwater for decades too.

Your the one who said you don't keep SPS, your words not mine. I don't know your history, nor do you know mine, I can only go by what you said in your previous post.

Like I said, poll some SPS gurus, no one keeps ULN systems for SPS anymore. It's not the current trend, but what actually works. Maybe you should do a little research before spouting off nonesense.

And I personally don's care how long you've been keeping corals or sold corals. Your advise will kill his tank. Plain and simple. When I see BS, I call it out.
 
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My 210g from 10 years ago. I started all that with 5 heads of branching hammer, 3 heads of frogspawn, I have had that lobo for 30 years its 40 years old. The scoli was sick and I nursed it to health, and I started with 1 nem. My coral outgrew my 100g and then when it outgrew the 210G tank I started selling coral. Most of that was 20 years worth of work.
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Your a noob. Everyone else loves these pics
Really? Name calling shows me who you are. If you can't have an opinion without someone calling you names for your opinion, or better yet have a discussion on a forum without resulting in name calling show me exactly who you are.
 

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but your advice to the above poster just plain doesn't work.
Nonsense. You need to learn before giving advise. First of all our friend has an algae issue, and you offered no advise at all to correct his main issue. He is using the wrong tools to combat bubble algae, it will work but you need a good foundation to start a recovery plan. Medicine does not correct a tank with poor water conditions, it only prolongs issues. Flucanzole is where you start. Not only do you need to lower nutrients to combat algae, but you need to flush out the medicine afterwards. ALL medication tells you to do large water changes after usage. YOU need to learn coral grows perfectly in ULN tanks and dirty tanks, there are multiple ways to skin a cat. BUT when it goes south in a HNT it goes south faster. SO after we address the bubble algae with proper medication and flush it out and all the die off, we start with a better foundation then where he is now. Then the Vibrant can work and maintain the clean. But if he doesnt use a skimmer and barely does water changes, he will end up right back where he started. he did it once, he will do it again UNLESS he changes what got him to this point. I have grown my share of bubble algae and GHA and a carpet algae. I have had as much success with that as selling coral. Id like to see others not make my mistakes. Without noise from the danged peanut gallery
 
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