Which med works for ich ?

[Idech]

I’m in Canada so here is what I can get in a few days :

- kordon copper aid (chelated copper sulfate)
- Kordon rid-ich plus
- Fritz paracleanse (expensive)

Would any of those work ?

Thanks

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

I’m in Canada so here is what I can get in a few days :

- kordon copper aid (chelated copper sulfate)
- Kordon rid-ich plus
- Fritz paracleanse (expensive)

Would any of those work ?

Thanks

Any copper product should do the job but you have to QT the fish and maintain the copper concentration at the correct level

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

Or you can try dosing hydrogen peroxide to the tank (at the correct conservative dose) and that will give the fish an opportunity to build up immunity although it won't eradicate the ich completely

 

[vetteguy53081]

I’m in Canada so here is what I can get in a few days :

- kordon copper aid (chelated copper sulfate)
- Kordon rid-ich plus
- Fritz paracleanse (expensive)

Would any of those work ?

Thanks

Skip peroxide- Rarely works
None of these are best choices but understanding the regulation sin Canada of all listed, the chelated copper will be best.

 

[Eric R.]

I’m in Canada so here is what I can get in a few days :

- kordon copper aid (chelated copper sulfate)
- Kordon rid-ich plus
- Fritz paracleanse (expensive)

Would any of those work ?

Thanks

You can also do tank transfer method if you have space/time to do so. Requires no meds.

 

[Idech]

Or you can try dosing hydrogen peroxide to the tank (at the correct conservative dose) and that will give the fish an opportunity to build up immunity although it won't eradicate the ich completely

I’ve been treating with Polyp lab medic for 6-7 days now. I understand it’s some kind of peroxyde salt.

The fish doesn’t show ich in the morning but there is more and more during the day. Is that immunity building up ?

You can also do tank transfer method if you have space/time to do so. Requires no meds.

I hadn’t thought of that. It’s certainly an option to consider.

 

[bushdoc]

Or you can try dosing hydrogen peroxide to the tank (at the correct conservative dose) and that will give the fish an opportunity to build up immunity although it won't eradicate the ich completely

"Fish are extremely vulnerable to environmental stimulation and produce oxidative stress. Among them, hydrogen peroxide is an oxidative stress source that cannot be ignored in fish, which can cause physical disorders,inflammation and even death"-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1050464822005046

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

"Fish are extremely vulnerable to environmental stimulation and produce oxidative stress. Among them, hydrogen peroxide is an oxidative stress source that cannot be ignored in fish, which can cause physical disorders,inflammation and even death"-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1050464822005046

Did you actually read the paper? I don't think anyone would advocate for injecting hydrogen peroxide into the fish as was done in this study... furthermore, this was a study aimed to evaluate the effectiveness of taurine to combat oxidative stress, not to evaluate oxidative stress and subsequent issues pertaining to it.

 

[Cell]

Make sure whatever copper product you go with that you are able to properly measure it.

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

I’ve been treating with Polyp lab medic for 6-7 days now. I understand it’s some kind of peroxyde salt.

The fish doesn’t show ich in the morning but there is more and more during the day. Is that immunity building up ?


I hadn’t thought of that. It’s certainly an option to consider.

Polyp Lab Medic is a very weak peroxide salt which has worked for some people and not for others. Like i said in my first post, copper is the only true "cure" though. Many people including myself have had success with dosing hydrogen peroxide though which is why I mentioned it.

 

[Eric R.]

"Fish are extremely vulnerable to environmental stimulation and produce oxidative stress. Among them, hydrogen peroxide is an oxidative stress source that cannot be ignored in fish, which can cause physical disorders,inflammation and even death"-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1050464822005046

Source on success of using H2O2 to treat velvet in marine fish: https://www.researchgate.net/public...n_the_Pacific_Threadfin_Polydactylus_sexfilis

"In the laboratory trial, treatment with 300 mg/L hydrogen peroxide resulted in 100% mortality of the exposed group of fish. However, single treatments with hydrogen peroxide at concentrations of 75 or 150 mg/L eliminated Amyloodinium sp. trophonts without causing loss of fish. In the field trial, a single treatment with 75 mg/L hydrogen peroxide greatly reduced levels of Amyloodinium infestation, and a second treatment 6 d later reduced Amyloodinium trophonts to a nondetectable level. These findings suggest that hydrogen peroxide is a suitable chemical for the treatment of amyloodiniasis of cultured, juvenile Pacific threadfin."

 

[Eric R.]

Polyp Lab Medic is a very weak peroxide salt which has worked for some people and not for others. Like i said in my first post, copper is the only true "cure" though. Many people including myself have had success with dosing hydrogen peroxide though which is why I mentioned it.

Ich has a well known life cycle. If you have the opportunity to quarantine any infected or potentially infected fish from a display, or before they are added to display, and then disrupt their reproductive cycle using tank transfer method, and allow a possibly infected tank to be fish free for the proper time period, you can also cure fish. Copper isn't the only true cure, though I agree with what you've said about copper and peroxide.

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

Ich has a well known life cycle. If you have the opportunity to quarantine any infected or potentially infected fish from a display, or before they are added to display, and then disrupt their reproductive cycle using tank transfer method, and allow a possibly infected tank to be fish free for the proper time period, you can also cure fish. Copper isn't the only true cure, though I agree with what you've said about copper and peroxide.

Oh really? I actually wasn't aware of that! TTM isn't something I've really explored tbh... another tool for the arsenal!

 

[vetteguy53081]

I’ve been treating with Polyp lab medic for 6-7 days now. I understand it’s some kind of peroxyde salt.

The fish doesn’t show ich in the morning but there is more and more during the day. Is that immunity building up ?


I hadn’t thought of that. It’s certainly an option to consider.

Many trophants go dormant just like flagellates and as the day goes along return often in numbers

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Source on success of using H2O2 to treat velvet in marine fish: https://www.researchgate.net/public...n_the_Pacific_Threadfin_Polydactylus_sexfilis

"In the laboratory trial, treatment with 300 mg/L hydrogen peroxide resulted in 100% mortality of the exposed group of fish. However, single treatments with hydrogen peroxide at concentrations of 75 or 150 mg/L eliminated Amyloodinium sp. trophonts without causing loss of fish. In the field trial, a single treatment with 75 mg/L hydrogen peroxide greatly reduced levels of Amyloodinium infestation, and a second treatment 6 d later reduced Amyloodinium trophonts to a nondetectable level. These findings suggest that hydrogen peroxide is a suitable chemical for the treatment of amyloodiniasis of cultured, juvenile Pacific threadfin."

That paper gets cited all the time, but it is high dose, short duration peroxide and them moving the fish to a new tank…it doesn’t really apply to low dose constant peroxide baths in aquariums.
Jay