Why do EXTREME fixes seem to be the suggested go to on online forums?
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reefinatl
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I might go for it on the 6 or 8 foot 180-240g future build in a year or so after I get this 90 cruising again.Reefinatl. Don't tell anyone about the rugf or too many tanks may last forever.
hds4216
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Hot take: our tanks are not the ocean, they are vastly different in terms of the amount of water. It takes truly enormous changes to impact the ocean's water chemistry. Our tanks are different and mistakes can easily cause things to go wrong. Not to mention that diseases are a much larger issue in a small, contained environment where parasites can reach much higher proportions. Sometimes interventions are needed and there's nothing wrong with that.
Rubberfrog
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I just picked up a used 200 gallon system. I am going to make it a PaulB style fish only tank.
The first male fish will be named Paul. And the first female fish will be his B.
Idoc
Getting lazier and lazier with upkeep!
A forum such as this, and all others in the hobby, are opinions and experiences. Just as you have opinions on how something should be done, so do others. I don't think there are very many truly experts in the aquarium hobby... just a lot of people with experiences.
There are many answers to a problem... but what we do see often is that someone will post what worked for them. What you don't see is what they may have gone through for a year prior to correct a problem.
The best you can do is give your opinion and experience in this thread to also help give another perspective.
Billldg
My Gem Tang Is Watching You
I am truly sorry you feel that way. We #MODS and #reefsquad try to do our best to help out as many new...and veteran...reefers as best as we can. We are reefing hobbyist...with daily jobs...that come home to help out other reefing hobbyist with issues. DO we have all the answers, NO, but do we try, YES.
this is why internet posters should use the currency of work threads for what they speak about
that's different than 1 reef's perspective.
500 reefs on file doing something gives a legit viewpoint window.
its hard to say a given option is bad if there is fifty pages of work on file.
for example, per these threads, is peroxide bad:
www.reef2reef.com
the OP can post their link to an equally-working nicer dinos cure and we will have two links to peruse, not just someone's advice.
work threads are how we make proofs in the ideal reef marketplace of claims. patterning speaks for itself.
that's different than 1 reef's perspective.
500 reefs on file doing something gives a legit viewpoint window.
its hard to say a given option is bad if there is fifty pages of work on file.
for example, per these threads, is peroxide bad:
Dinoflagellates my experience......h2o2 reefing tool!!!!!
aaaaaaarrrrrrr just wanted to share my recent battle and how i won!!!!!!!!! "i wish i took pics but i didn't..:(" so about 3 weeks ago my tank broke out pretty bad i mean bad!!!!!! my coast to coast overflow would get plugged and almost overflow my tank..... so i did my research and found...
www.reef2reef.com
the OP can post their link to an equally-working nicer dinos cure and we will have two links to peruse, not just someone's advice.
work threads are how we make proofs in the ideal reef marketplace of claims. patterning speaks for itself.
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Rubberfrog
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No worries mate. You guys are just here trying to help. I appreciate it.I am truly sorry you feel that way. We #MODS and #reefsquad try to do our best to help out as many new...and veteran...reefers as best as we can. We are reefing hobbyist...with daily jobs...that come home to help out other reefing hobbyist with issues. DO we have all the answers, NO, but do we try, YES.
this is why internet posters should use the currency of work threads for what they speak about
that's different than 1 reef's perspective.
500 reefs on file doing something gives a legit viewpoint window.
its hard to say a given option is bad if there is fifty pages of work on file.
for example, per these threads, is peroxide bad:
Dinoflagellates my experience......h2o2 reefing tool!!!!!
aaaaaaarrrrrrr just wanted to share my recent battle and how i won!!!!!!!!! "i wish i took pics but i didn't..:(" so about 3 weeks ago my tank broke out pretty bad i mean bad!!!!!! my coast to coast overflow would get plugged and almost overflow my tank..... so i did my research and found...
now the OP can post their link to an equally-working nicer dinos cure and we will have two links to peruse, not just someone's advice.
work threads are how we make proofs in the ideal reef marketplace of claims. patterning speaks for itself.
Dinoflagellates my experience......h2o2 reefing tool!!!!!
What everyone using to get rid of dino and keep it gone. This thread is way to long for me to read it all. I see some mention of h2o2 but what's the guide lines on that
www.reef2reef.com
we've been pressing peroxide use since 2010 now, firmly. have earned many feedbacks positive, very few negative.
peroxide is now a permanent tool in reefing, as permanent as kalk.
I realize that's not believable. and when peroxide was first offered for reefing, nobody believed it either...Troylee did well above. that's one of the oldest peroxide tracker threads.
its one of about ten huge threads on the matter, combined reefs = many
the $ in tanks we've saved using peroxide, meaning they were on the verge of quitting and that was last resort...I cannot count how many. in private message alone, thousands not counting threads. whats also handy is having a matching work thread with several tanks for any example wanted, many of the extreme examples come using other folk's tanks as examples and doing it for years and pages in one place, for follow up patterning.
that's precisely how we move them into mainstream practices.
How about tap rinsing sandbeds he he / extreme
how many examples of tap water rinsed, full tap water rinsed clean sandbeds might a random web guy have on file?
peroxide is now a permanent tool in reefing, as permanent as kalk.
I realize that's not believable. and when peroxide was first offered for reefing, nobody believed it either...Troylee did well above. that's one of the oldest peroxide tracker threads.
its one of about ten huge threads on the matter, combined reefs = many
the $ in tanks we've saved using peroxide, meaning they were on the verge of quitting and that was last resort...I cannot count how many. in private message alone, thousands not counting threads. whats also handy is having a matching work thread with several tanks for any example wanted, many of the extreme examples come using other folk's tanks as examples and doing it for years and pages in one place, for follow up patterning.
that's precisely how we move them into mainstream practices.
How about tap rinsing sandbeds he he / extreme
how many examples of tap water rinsed, full tap water rinsed clean sandbeds might a random web guy have on file?
Billldg
My Gem Tang Is Watching You
Here's the simple truth, it is in everyone's human nature to try and help. Unfortunately, their may be some less than expertise ideas being posted. THAT'S the thing though, it may not be expertise, but it isn't for a lack of trying to help someone out with the best of intensions. We as R2R members and reefing hobbyist will always try to help each other out. It will always come down to our own selves to decipher what will work and what will not. We are ALL students of this hobby, and we will always learn, no matter how long you have been in this hobby. I have never seen anyone post a fix with the intentions of being malicious. R2R was started to help out other reefers, new and veteran, to further their ventures in what is, arguably, the hardest pet to keep. We may not always agree with someone's remedy to fix something, BUT, that doesn't make it wrong. WE can only help each other out in becoming better reefers.
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agreed
you know what reef2reef does most amazing
not ban people, or even hint about it, when they post noncompliant strategies.
other forums are stricken in fear when someone posts about how to skip a reef's cycle for example, afraid to have lies on file.
but reef2reef already knows the marketplace won't bear any illogical practices, if crazy ideas are posted they'll have no backing and the threads will fall down. rtr trusts its readers to make informed decisions about reefing on their own, they don't shape their reading material with a heavy hand.
reefcentral had its run, market is changing now and aiming exactly right here.
Freedom and self management as the core did it, in my opinion.
best practices rise to the top in activity and feedback.
then they become stickies one day, see the fish disease forum for examples
and then are hobby mainstreamed.
the result: the most powerfully active, most readers / highest participation rate / money-changing reef board ever assembled is happening. its a true free market in balance, as much as possible on web forums.
we have a lot of practice options to consider here, due to freedom in posting and reviewing ideas without being squelched.
you know what reef2reef does most amazing
not ban people, or even hint about it, when they post noncompliant strategies.
other forums are stricken in fear when someone posts about how to skip a reef's cycle for example, afraid to have lies on file.
but reef2reef already knows the marketplace won't bear any illogical practices, if crazy ideas are posted they'll have no backing and the threads will fall down. rtr trusts its readers to make informed decisions about reefing on their own, they don't shape their reading material with a heavy hand.
reefcentral had its run, market is changing now and aiming exactly right here.
Freedom and self management as the core did it, in my opinion.
best practices rise to the top in activity and feedback.
then they become stickies one day, see the fish disease forum for examples
and then are hobby mainstreamed.
the result: the most powerfully active, most readers / highest participation rate / money-changing reef board ever assembled is happening. its a true free market in balance, as much as possible on web forums.
we have a lot of practice options to consider here, due to freedom in posting and reviewing ideas without being squelched.
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if the OP feels more self-balancing and patient ways are better than forceful means (our ways have downsides too)
then work threads can be made to build log rolls.
simply pop into help threads, sell em on the method, collect the fixes. memorize the fixes so when you get asked about it later/have/can link
direct message folks who have posted help threads, and carve off to the side someone willing to run your method and feedback. you can make logs and rolls of proof off that.
we need to be able to see those kinds of work logs to know what the best practice is
so far in this whole thread, peroxide seems to be the best. It’s the only work link provided the entire time. It has two hundred happy posters, so it’s tops so far until another example replaces it.
then work threads can be made to build log rolls.
simply pop into help threads, sell em on the method, collect the fixes. memorize the fixes so when you get asked about it later/have/can link
direct message folks who have posted help threads, and carve off to the side someone willing to run your method and feedback. you can make logs and rolls of proof off that.
we need to be able to see those kinds of work logs to know what the best practice is
so far in this whole thread, peroxide seems to be the best. It’s the only work link provided the entire time. It has two hundred happy posters, so it’s tops so far until another example replaces it.
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I'm with the OP in the sense you describe of 'self balancing and patient' but what you say here does have significant merit. It's a forum and all should have their ability to provide advice from experience. It's helpful often.
I have to agree. Especially for the newcomers I think it’s important not to over complicate things and take extreme measures unless absolutely necessary. I know not to take advice from just anyone blindly. New reefers have a harder time distinguishing what advice or method to follow or not, may just go with popular opinion or the first one they get. It can be overwhelming, not to mention all the misinformation there is floating around constantly. It is what it is...
Respectfully I must disagree. Quantity of likes does not equate to quality of posts. Maybe as a starting point, but it’s important to do your own digging as well, if you want to be certain the advice given is in fact credible.Reading through this thread more there are a few things I'd like to add.
1. The biggest ultimate issue is that the OP's asking for "advice" have arrived at problems they themselves have created by not educating themselves prior to jumping in.
I myself when I first started reefing made tons of mistakes that unfortunately I traversed on my own for the most part. I wasn't on any forums mainly because I didn't know they existed.
This may be undemocratic and not "PC" but to me, if you decide to jump out of an airplane, without having studied up first about skydiving and proper parachute packing/checking and procedure. When you splat on the ground. Good riddance.
The more empathetic side of me of course wants to try to steer everyone with problems in the right direction. But Darwin's Theory and survival of the fittest is a natural cycle.
If certain hobbyist just can't take it upon themselves to properly educate themselves, and instead jump at the first extreme advice they're given. They'll eventually fail until they pick themselves up by their own boot straps and really put their noses to the books and articles to get the TRUTH about it all.
If they don't, they won't have long term happiness and success, and it'll be 1 less reefer in the hobby. Which again, is that many less fish and coral killed needlessly due to their inability or rather unwillingness to do a proper study.
2. We need to give the people who give good advice more credit. Give them more likes and more reactions. As a newb starting in the hobby, if you see someone with 2,000 posts and 2,000 likes giving advice.
And another with 3,000 posts and 10,000 likes giving advice, you're probably more likely to go with the guy who seems to give better advice. It's only natural as well.
By coming together as a community and supporting the one's who lead down a path of truth, and (not shunning) but not giving as much recognition to those recommending extremes. We ourselves on this forum can combat it. Anytime you're in a thread and you see someone you know or someone who often gives good advice, just give them a quick like.
1 click is all it takes
That's my 2 cents.
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