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<blockquote data-quote="AKreuzer" data-source="post: 10900405" data-attributes="member: 202856"><p>Hey All</p><p></p><p>I finally get to post with my first follow up. I plan to do so at least once more in a month or two for anyone lese that comes upon this post and want to know what happened.</p><p></p><p>Since my last post I added the grounding rod and did a ton of research on this. It appears that there is nothing conclusive on weather the voltage from the different devices have an affect on the fish or not but here was what went thought my mind with my knowledge of electricity.</p><p>- you can have voltage and no amprage but you cant have amprage and no voltage</p><p>- amprage kills</p><p>-electricity, like water pressure will always try to equilize</p><p> - ie. if you put your hand on a tesla coil and fire it up you dont feel anything but if you touch it after its going you get shocked...even though its low or no amprage its high voltage and you feel that. </p><p></p><p>*hypothesis the fishes bodies are low voltage and there is too much of a differenetial for them to become acclimated to and they were dieing. this could have been brought on by a hardware failure. (see below)</p><p></p><p>*at the very worst case it was a $15 variable eliminator and in this hobby with a 150g tank....really I cant get hung up on $15</p><p></p><p>Next: potential toxin in the water.</p><p>as you read on a previous post I had my water sent in for a water analysis that didnt reveal anything suspicious....a few things that were low but were expected for new tank. I figured at this point water changes cant hurt and if something somehow got into the tank it will hopefully delute it enough to no longer be harmful.</p><p>I changed 40g every week for 3 weeks totalling a 120g replacement...I wanted to do 50g/ week but I dont have the resources to reliably mix more that 40g</p><p></p><p>I also out a bag of 144g of carbon in the sump...again I figured it wouldnt hurt.</p><p></p><p>Next: Hardware failure. while doing the water changes I tired to use the apex app to turn on and off my pump and powerhead.....but it didnt work....the slider would go but the device wouldnt turn off....also i noticed that the app is no longer displaying charts of historic temp/ph/orp nothing....called neptune and they are replacing my base unit due to a hardware issue. Is it plausible this hardware issue caused a sudden voltage leak? or something that could have killed the fish? I dont know and I doubt there is anything that would get them to admit it was their product. regardless they are replacing it </p><p></p><p>December 26th...moment of truth? kind of....at least time for another conaray, and again a single oscilarus clown. I acclimated him the same way as mentioned before ~1.5oz/5min (Jay see your note below) and then let him free in my DP with my shrimp, snails, and emerald crab who are all doing fine. Now, approaching 48hrs everyone is doing great. He ate last night and seems to be loving his new home. I will continue to monitor for another 2 weeks and then add a second clown. and then progress with the tank and hopefully put this behind me. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>For [USER=156390]@Jay Hemdal[/USER] Thank you for all of your support through this process. I greatly appreciate your insight, experience and sharing of that to me. My gut this whole time couldnt settle with it being an acclimation issue because it was the process i followed up until this point with the other fish an no one ever had an issue. I talked with 3 LFS's and my procedure seemed to be longer and more controlled than what they do for their service accounts. So I am sorry for being stubborn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AKreuzer, post: 10900405, member: 202856"] Hey All I finally get to post with my first follow up. I plan to do so at least once more in a month or two for anyone lese that comes upon this post and want to know what happened. Since my last post I added the grounding rod and did a ton of research on this. It appears that there is nothing conclusive on weather the voltage from the different devices have an affect on the fish or not but here was what went thought my mind with my knowledge of electricity. - you can have voltage and no amprage but you cant have amprage and no voltage - amprage kills -electricity, like water pressure will always try to equilize - ie. if you put your hand on a tesla coil and fire it up you dont feel anything but if you touch it after its going you get shocked...even though its low or no amprage its high voltage and you feel that. *hypothesis the fishes bodies are low voltage and there is too much of a differenetial for them to become acclimated to and they were dieing. this could have been brought on by a hardware failure. (see below) *at the very worst case it was a $15 variable eliminator and in this hobby with a 150g tank....really I cant get hung up on $15 Next: potential toxin in the water. as you read on a previous post I had my water sent in for a water analysis that didnt reveal anything suspicious....a few things that were low but were expected for new tank. I figured at this point water changes cant hurt and if something somehow got into the tank it will hopefully delute it enough to no longer be harmful. I changed 40g every week for 3 weeks totalling a 120g replacement...I wanted to do 50g/ week but I dont have the resources to reliably mix more that 40g I also out a bag of 144g of carbon in the sump...again I figured it wouldnt hurt. Next: Hardware failure. while doing the water changes I tired to use the apex app to turn on and off my pump and powerhead.....but it didnt work....the slider would go but the device wouldnt turn off....also i noticed that the app is no longer displaying charts of historic temp/ph/orp nothing....called neptune and they are replacing my base unit due to a hardware issue. Is it plausible this hardware issue caused a sudden voltage leak? or something that could have killed the fish? I dont know and I doubt there is anything that would get them to admit it was their product. regardless they are replacing it December 26th...moment of truth? kind of....at least time for another conaray, and again a single oscilarus clown. I acclimated him the same way as mentioned before ~1.5oz/5min (Jay see your note below) and then let him free in my DP with my shrimp, snails, and emerald crab who are all doing fine. Now, approaching 48hrs everyone is doing great. He ate last night and seems to be loving his new home. I will continue to monitor for another 2 weeks and then add a second clown. and then progress with the tank and hopefully put this behind me. For [USER=156390]@Jay Hemdal[/USER] Thank you for all of your support through this process. I greatly appreciate your insight, experience and sharing of that to me. My gut this whole time couldnt settle with it being an acclimation issue because it was the process i followed up until this point with the other fish an no one ever had an issue. I talked with 3 LFS's and my procedure seemed to be longer and more controlled than what they do for their service accounts. So I am sorry for being stubborn. [/QUOTE]
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