DIY Fluoride

[USMA36]

I use the reef moonshine elements which for the most part are cost effective. All but Fluoride that is. Is there a recipe that I can use to diy Fluoride that will match the concentration of the moonshine Flouride? It’s 20.00 a bottle and from my understanding a fairly weak concentration. According to the rm calculator to raise my current flouride level of .81 mg/l to the recommended 1.5 mg/L I need to dose 74.63 ml X 7 days of the reef moonshine Flouride element into my 200 gallon system. That’s roughly a bottle per month depending on icp results. I was looking at this sodium flouride to use. If anyone has a different recommendation can help me work out the math/recipe would you mind sharing? I understand that flouride needs to be handled safely using the proper ppe and I am able to do that.

Sodium Fluoride 1 Pound 1 Bottle

The item for sale is 1 Lb (16 Ounces) of Sodium Fluoride (NaF). Sodium Fluoride is an inorganic chemical compound and a common source of the fluoride ion. Our bottles are made of durable Polypropylene Plastic, which is a natural, translucent, lightweight,

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[Randy Holmes-Farley]

There's a fluoride recipe link, among others, here:

DIY Chemistry Archive

I thought it would be useful to have an archive of DIY chemistry methods. I'll add to it as things come up. Calcium and Alkalinity DIY method comparison https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/randy-recommended-diy-two-part-recipes.984604/ Three Part using Sodium Hydroxide (including Balling Part...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[USMA36]

There's a fluoride recipe link, among others, here:

DIY Chemistry Archive

I thought it would be useful to have an archive of DIY chemistry methods. I'll add to it as things come up. Calcium and Alkalinity DIY method comparison https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/randy-recommended-diy-two-part-recipes.984604/ Three Part using Sodium Hydroxide (including Balling Part...

www.reef2reef.com

Wow! What a great resource. Thank you again. I have bookmarked that page. Will the fluoride I linked above be the same concentration? Would you mind checking my math.. I’m a terrible mathematician. If I use your 1 liter formula 165 ml will raise my 200 gallons by 1mg/L my last icp was .8 mg/L. In order to raise my level to 1.5mg/L I’d need to dose 165 x .7 which is 115 ml. Of that how much can I safely dose per day? It’s a much more concentrated dose than the reef moonshine bottle which I’d have to use 500ml spread out over 7 days to get the same rise in fluoride.

 

[KStatefan]

Wow! What a great resource. Thank you again. I have bookmarked that page. Will the fluoride I linked above be the same concentration? Would you mind checking my math.. I’m a terrible mathematician. If I use your 1 liter formula 165 ml will raise my 200 gallons by 1mg/L my last icp was .8 mg/L. In order to raise my level to 1.5mg/L I’d need to dose 165 x .7 which is 115 ml. Of that how much can I safely dose per day? It’s a much more concentrated dose than the reef moonshine bottle which I’d have to use 500ml spread out over 7 days to get the same rise in fluoride.

You could mix up a diy to the same concentration of moonshine then just dose with the information from their calculator

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Wow! What a great resource. Thank you again. I have bookmarked that page. Will the fluoride I linked above be the same concentration? Would you mind checking my math.. I’m a terrible mathematician. If I use your 1 liter formula 165 ml will raise my 200 gallons by 1mg/L my last icp was .8 mg/L. In order to raise my level to 1.5mg/L I’d need to dose 165 x .7 which is 115 ml. Of that how much can I safely dose per day? It’s a much more concentrated dose than the reef moonshine bottle which I’d have to use 500ml spread out over 7 days to get the same rise in fluoride.

The amount to can safely dose is up to NSW each time. If you don't know what that is on a daily basis, because you do not know the daily demand (if any), then I would not be able to suggest a dose.

The recipe I give there is

If you dissolve 10 grams in 1 L, then it is 10 mg/mL NaF and it takes 22 mL of that solution to boost 100 L by 1 mg/L F.

If you want to raise 200 gallons (757 L) by 0.7 mg/L (0.8 to 1.5 mg/L) then you will need 117 mL.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

FWIW, NSW at 35 ppt contains about 1,3 mg/L.

 

[USMA36]

You could mix up a diy to the same concentration of moonshine then just dose with the information from their calculator

That would be ideal but I have no idea what the concentration is for the reef moonshine element.

 

[USMA36]

The amount to can safely dose is up to NSW each time. If you don't know what that is on a daily basis, because you do not know the daily demand (if any), then I would not be able to suggest a dose.

The recipe I give there is

If you dissolve 10 grams in 1 L, then it is 10 mg/mL NaF and it takes 22 mL of that solution to boost 100 L by 1 mg/L F.

If you want to raise 200 gallons (757 L) by 0.7 mg/L (0.8 to 1.5 mg/L) then you will need 117 mL.

Thank you again. I wonder why moonshine splits the dose over the course of a week. Especially if it’s so much more diluted than a diy version. They have me dosing 75ml a day for 7 days instead of doing it all at once in one dose.

 

[Troylee]

Thank you again. I wonder why moonshine splits the dose over the course of a week. Especially if it’s so much more diluted than a diy version. They have me dosing 75ml a day for 7 days instead of doing it all at once in one dose.

It’s how they sell products lol..

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Thank you again. I wonder why moonshine splits the dose over the course of a week. Especially if it’s so much more diluted than a diy version. They have me dosing 75ml a day for 7 days instead of doing it all at once in one dose.

I couldn't tell you why they do what they do, but if you want to add it slowly, there's certainly no reason to not do so.

 

[KStatefan]

That would be ideal but I have no idea what the concentration is for the reef moonshine element.

Looks like theirs is 1000 ppm plugging numbers into their calculator

 

[USMA36]

Looks like theirs is 1000 ppm plugging numbers into their calculator

How does that translate for Randy’s recipe of 10 grams added to 1 liter? Is it 10000ppm basically making the diy 10x stronger than reef moonshine Fluorine?

 

[KStatefan]

How does that translate for Randy’s recipe of 10 grams added to 1 liter? Is it 10000ppm basically making the diy 10x stronger than reef moonshine Fluorine?

That is 10 grams of Sodium Floride but since it is 45% floride that would be 4.5 grams of floride in 1 liter so approximately 4500 ppm compared to the 1000ppm floride in the moonsine product

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

There's nothing wrong with diluting my recipe more if folks want to use online tools with it.

 

[bumpyj38]

How does that translate for Randy’s recipe of 10 grams added to 1 liter? Is it 10000ppm basically making the diy 10x stronger than reef moonshine Fluorine?

Did you ever try this DIY recipe? How did it go? I’m in the same boat.