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Not quite.
If we want to know the price for measurement (and not to forget: with controlling option!) of KH + Ca + Mg we can do this calculation:
Let's assume - for discussion purposes only - prices not final yet! - that the single unit costs $450, the slave set $800 and the standalone set $850 (like KHD)
Scenario 1: "Brain" is Standalone Doser of the KHD set
KHD Set SA (KHD + Standalone Doser 4 pumps) $850 + Ion Director Set Slave (with Doser 4 pumps) $800 = $1650
This gives you also 3 extra pumps for dosing / controlling.
Scenario 2: "Brain" is an existing ProfiLux 4 (or another Standalone Doser or ProfiLux 3, it doesn't matter, just any master GHL device with PAB)
Then you would only need slave dosers, KHD Set Slave $800 + IOD Set Slave $800 = $1600
There you also will have 3 free pumps for dosing / controlling.
Of course you can have it cheaper and purchase single items with the lowest amount of pumps necessary, then you would save a few bucks but loose the extra pumps for dosing/controlling.
You can construct also much higher prices. E.g. assuming someone buys a P4 + KHD + IOD + Dosers (in case he has no other equipment at the beginning).
But where is the point for that calculation? In this construction you would forget that the ProfiLux system could do a bit more than just KH, Ca, Mg measurement resp. controlling and dosing.
I think this is not a "who is the cheapest?"-contest.
In my opionion the questions are: Does it work at all in the long term, is it reliable and can I use it for controlling or only measuring?
I can answer this only for GHL: Yes.
Keep in mind that 1st scenario of $1650 for Alk/Ca/Mg with dosing control assumes you were able to run the ION director testing both Ca and Mg with only 2 dosing pumps (leaving 3 pumps available), or that you must dose alk, Ca, and mg with a 2-part on the only 2 available heads. Before you said maybe 3 pumps would be needed, have you confirmed just two now? Additionally this scenario does not include a controller/profilux, not that it’s necessary, but competing products will even have their controller included for a considerably lower price point.
If you simply consider buyers looking for a new controller system with the ability test the big 3 who either 1) don’t currently own any aquarium controller system and/or 2) are starting a new build with a new system, you’re back to the $2500. I understand your goal isn’t to be the cheapest, but hopefully you can come up with a bundle kit (with all 5 devices) that is in the ballpark at least of some other products out there.
Why would you sell a better more reliable product with more functionality in a bundle for the same price as an inferior competitors product? That makes absolutely zero business senseKeep in mind that 1st scenario of $1650 for Alk/Ca/Mg with dosing control assumes you were able to run the ION director testing both Ca and Mg with only 2 dosing pumps (leaving 3 pumps available), or that you must dose alk, Ca, and mg with a 2-part on the only 2 available heads. Before you said maybe 3 pumps would be needed, have you confirmed just two now? Additionally this scenario does not include a controller/profilux, not that it’s necessary, but competing products will even have their controller included for a considerably lower price point.
If you simply consider buyers looking for a new controller system with the ability test the big 3 who either 1) don’t currently own any aquarium controller system and/or 2) are starting a new build with a new system, you’re back to the $2500. I understand your goal isn’t to be the cheapest, but hopefully you can come up with a bundle kit (with all 5 devices) that is in the ballpark at least of some other products out there.
Size and flexibilityMaybe I explained it the wrong way. If you need dosing heads for the unit why arent they attached the the unit itself. It cannot be used without dosers. I would think if you made the unit a bit bigger with the dosers required built into the device rather then require a second module then you may have been able to get the price to the consumer down a bit and stay competitive with pricing is all im saying. Noone gets into the hobby to save money but it certainly is nice when we can shave a bit off the top. I could be wrong but its just what I was thinking.
Why would you sell a better more reliable product with more functionality in a bundle for the same price as an inferior competitors product? That makes absolutely zero business sense
There may be nothing sexier then a cabinet with all that GHL equipment in it though lol
You need one Master Device: P3, P4 or GHL Doser 2 (or Maxi) Standalone, we will offer a firmware update with the ION Director functions for all of them - as we did for the KHD functions.@Matthias Gross - would a P3 with dosing units (master and slave) from the same vintage run the ION and KH director? or does it need to be Doser 2 and above?
Funny thing is, I had a response typed earlier that I can't fit everything my cabinet if I add 2 more devices.
I'll need a small side cabinet, my current setup is:
Profilux
Doser 1
Doser 2
KHD
PS: @Matthias Gross , Doser 2 is lonely with just my Ca running on it, its calling for an Ion Director.
Apex plus a triton is $1400 (monitors all 3 plus the normal 4 and aquarium controller) ... This is all for debate by the way. I dont wanna start a fight
I don't want either to start a debate/fight about competitors products and prices. But just for clarification for me and to avoid to give a wrong impression here I need you to ask someting, I am not so familiar with the "triton" (should be "Trident", right?) since I couldn't see much detailled information about it.
In the GHL products you listed and calculated a price for we have all pumps for Ion D and KHD plus a few extra pumps for dosing - Are in these $1400 you calculated for the other products also the needed pumps plus a few extra pumps included?
Yeah this was my point in the other thread. Sounds like it’s going to be a lot more devices and a whole lot more $$$ to do basically the same thing as their ‘competitor’, if you want to call it that.
Fair enough, if you are just talking about monitoring those 3 elements $1600 but most of us are looking at this as a conversion from the "competitor" so we dont have existing equipment. Compare that to the alternative $1400 to monitor those 3 elements which includes there best controller. Granted they wont have dosing as an option out the gate and you will which is a plus but that will come for the alternative in the future. That being said I am still considering the swap based of your reputation. Your product is second to none imo, but comes at a price, and that price is cold hard cash, and lots of it. Lol
I can't say that the Trident will be ANY cheaper than GHLs setup.