Need help diagnose and treatment. White spot on fin

[Greyskull_714]

Hello, just like title says. Video shows spots on dorsal fin. I noticed the first one a day or so ago but now I see 2 spots. What should I do? Fish eats and is in my QT. TIA

 

[Sharkbait19]

I can’t see the video - could you repost as a YouTube link?
A white spot multiplying typically sounds like ich, but I would need to see it to confirm.
Since it’s in qt, no reason not to start copper treatment.

 

[Greyskull_714]

I can’t see the video - could you repost as a YouTube link?
A white spot multiplying typically sounds like ich, but I would need to see it to confirm.
Since it’s in qt, no reason not to start copper treatment.

I added a youtube clip. Thank you

 

[Jekyl]

What quarantine method are you using?

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

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[Sharkbait19]

It could actually be the start of lympho - it’s pretty common in new angels and is harmless.
That said, it’s still best to go through standard qt protocol and treat with prazi and copper to cover for ich, velvet, and flukes.

 

[Greyskull_714]

What quarantine method are you using?

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

What quarantine method are you using?

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

Method? Im not sure, sorry Im relatively new. But I dont use any meds at the moment. QT temp is 79-80. I hope that is helpful

 

[Jekyl]

Method? Im not sure, sorry Im relatively new. But I dont use any meds at the moment. QT temp is 79-80. I hope that is helpful

I would follow the recommended link I posted then. This is the procedure given to us by the person who previously ran the Shedd aquarium in Chicago and currently the Toledo Zoo.

 

[Greyskull_714]

I would follow the recommended link I posted then. This is the procedure given to us by the person who previously ran the Shedd aquarium in Chicago and currently the Toledo Zoo.

Thank you for the info.

 

[Greyskull_714]

It could actually be the start of lympho - it’s pretty common in new angels and is harmless.
That said, it’s still best to go through standard qt protocol and treat with prazi and copper to cover for ich, velvet, and flukes.

Ive heard Flame Angels are sensitive to copper so I chose not to use it. But doing a quick search some have issue with Prazi and Flames. Would you wait it out and see what happens with the fish or start the prazi?

 

[Jekyl]

Ive heard Flame Angels are sensitive to copper so I chose not to use it. I can start the prazi but is that my only option at this time?

I believe chelated copper and copper power are OK. Let me tag some people to be sure.

@vetteguy53081 @Jay Hemdal @MnFish1

 

[Sharkbait19]

Ive heard Flame Angels are sensitive to copper so I chose not to use it. But doing a quick search some have issue with Prazi and Flames. Would you wait it out and see what happens with the fish or start the prazi?

I’ve put coral beauties and currently a flameback through copper - as long as you dose properly it should be fine. Like mentioned, copper power or coppersafe shouldn’t have any issues.

 

[Greyskull_714]

I’ve put coral beauties and currently a flameback through copper - as long as you dose properly it should be fine. Like mentioned, copper power or coppersafe shouldn’t have any issues.

What do you like to use to test copper?

 

[Jekyl]

What do you like to use to test copper?

I think hanna is the go to. Salifert will also work. I would avoid API.

 

[Sharkbait19]

What do you like to use to test copper?

In the past I used the salifert, but found that it wasn’t really good with the concentration being tested at (it only goes up to 2 ppm accurately and it needs to be at 2.25).
I moved over to the Hanna - it’s expensive but worth it for accuracy. Not so bad if you get it used.

 

[Greyskull_714]

Thank you @Sharkbait19 @Jekyl Ill keep you updated!

 

[MnFish1]

It could likely be lymphocystis or perhaps a fin injury? - depending on the exact timing etc. If it is changing (i.e. 20 more spots tomorrow) - it would be more likely to be a parasite infection like Ich as compared to the benign lymphocystis

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ive heard Flame Angels are sensitive to copper so I chose not to use it. But doing a quick search some have issue with Prazi and Flames. Would you wait it out and see what happens with the fish or start the prazi?

The spot on the dorsal fin is too large to be ich, and flukes won't show as spots. This is, as mentioned, either the start of Lymphocystis, or it is a banged up fin ray from running into something.

Flame angels are sensitive to ionic copper, but not amine-chelated copper like Coppersafe. There isn't any specific issue with them and prazi - you just need to aerate the tank well when dosing that. People neglect to do that and then run into issues.

 

[Greyskull_714]

If it’s Lymphocystis do I just let it run it’s course?

 

[Sharkbait19]

If it’s Lymphocystis do I just let it run it’s course?

Yes - it will eventually clear up on its own.