Safe Interceptor Dose | Coral Boring Spionid Worms.

[Dburr1014]

I inspected my tank today and looked high and low for spionid worms. They are everywhere. Lps, SPS, and just generally in the rock. Here are a few pictures. They are very small but if you blow up on the pictures you can see there two antennas.
I don't think I can pick and choose which rock to dose. I'm going to have to do the whole shebang. I think I'll grab a couple of colonies that aren't doing well anyway and try to come up with some kind of a dose. I really don't want to wait a month after dosing if it's embedded in the rock. I think my best course of action is three tubs. One for dosing, one for rinsing, and one for the carbon. If the dose takes an hour or two, my rinse might be a lot quicker like 30 minutes, and my carbon would probably be a couple hours also or maybe overnight.

 

[Minifoot77]

I inspected my tank today and looked high and low for spionid worms. They are everywhere. Lps, SPS, and just generally in the rock. Here are a few pictures. They are very small but if you blow up on the pictures you can see there two antennas.
I don't think I can pick and choose which rock to dose. I'm going to have to do the whole shebang. I think I'll grab a couple of colonies that aren't doing well anyway and try to come up with some kind of a dose. I really don't want to wait a month after dosing if it's embedded in the rock. I think my best course of action is three tubs. One for dosing, one for rinsing, and one for the carbon. If the dose takes an hour or two, my rinse might be a lot quicker like 30 minutes, and my carbon would probably be a couple hours also or maybe overnight.

Let us know how it goes im still researching for my dip as well I just bought 1% ivermectin today

 

[Dburr1014]

Of I get some time tonight or tomorrow I'll try to dose a hammer colony that went south. It's been hanging on but only has 2 or 3 heads left. It has the worms but don't know if that caused the decline. If that is successful we'll go on to an sps colony.

I set up a 1.5 gallon tank last night. I will start at one drop. I will ramp up drop by drop every 15 minutes? Maybe 30? I want to see them dying when I stop dosing.

 

[Dburr1014]

As much as I hate to disappoint, I threw the hammer in a 1.5 gallon tank with a heater and a powerhead and dosed Ivermectin first with four drops and at the last 15 minutes I dosed another four drops. The problem I realize is that these are not spionid worms on the hammer. They are vermetid Snails.






So I looked through my entire system and I do have spionid worms but they are on rather large pieces of rock and coral. The problem is I don't have a very big vessel that's clear to take videos and pictures. Now that my tank is coming in approximately 2 weeks I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and do the large pieces without trying to come up with a dose. I think I'm just going to go with two milliliters per gallon.

I dislodged all the vermetid Snails I saw and i put the hammer back in the display and am hour later the bubble bee snails are having a feast.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

@Dburr1014 did the ivermectin kill the vermited?

 

[Dburr1014]

@Dburr1014 did the ivermectin kill the vermited?

No, they were irritated and squirming but no death. I went to 8 drops total.
I ended up picking all the ones off I could off that particular Coral.

 

[fushi]

What does everyone think about mixing KCL with Ivermectin as a dip? Maybe @Randy Holmes-Farley could give us any thoughts about reactions we should be concerned about when mixing the two.
I was thinking about using these products in particular.
Mectin
KCL



I have also ordered some Imidacloprid to try as a replacement for bayer as it is one of the two active ingredients in bayer (BioAdvance). The other active ingredient is beta cyfluthrin a pyrethroid but I figured I’d try the imidacloprid first. Maybe Imidacloprid with ivermectin could be a good dip option too.

 

[Dburr1014]

Now, the crazy! After seven hours on Saturday, which at the that time was around 7:30pm I dosed my 500 gallon acropora DT with Ivermectin. I dosed the whole 50ml bottle, which comes out to 1ml per 12-14 gallons of system water.


If anyone decides to try this as an in tank treatment, then I would recommend the following:

1. 1ml for every 25 Gallons.
2. Run treatment in the morning and perform water changes via the skimmer after two hours.
2. Remove fish before treatment, if possible.
3. Make sure you have enough aeration during treatment
4. Make sure you have enough make up for water changes
5. DON'T BE LIKE ME AND DOSE THIS THE SAME DAY AS A PESTICIDE!

I will update this thread with pictures later and try to clean up the timeline of events, etc. I will update as the process continues.

@JCOLE
How is your system doing after this treatment. It's been a little while now and I'm hoping for an update. How are your fish, inverts, general biome? Have you noticed any changes in anything?

My new tank is here and all plumbed. I'm leaving for Bogota in a couple days for a week and when I get back it's show time. I gotta say, I'm a little nervous.
I went back through some posts just to refresh my mind what needs to be done but have a couple questions.

Looking at your math, 50ml for your 500 gallons. So that's 5ml per 50 gallons OR 1ml per 10 gallons. You think that was too much and think 1ml per 25 is better to shoot for. Correct?
I'm going to do this in a seperate vessel. Out of the display and into the vessel. I'm pretty sure I'm going to set up two rinsing vessels also with the last one having GAC. 1 hour dip, 1 hour rinse, and ? hours rinse with GAC. Not sure how long to leave it with GAC. Coral will need to go back under the light at least after a couple days. Maybe overnight in the GAC? I can always do a tester snail. IDK.

 

[Dburr1014]

Interesting read of ivermectin on freshwater life and degradation times.

Effects of the Veterinary Pharmaceutical Ivermectin in Indoor Aquatic Microcosms - Archives of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology

The effects of the parasiticide ivermectin were assessed in plankton-dominated indoor microcosms. Ivermectin was applied once at concentrations of 30, 100, 300, 1000, 3000, and 10,000 ng/l. The half-life (dissipation time 50%; DT50) of ivermectin in the water phase ranged from 1.1 to 8.3 days...

link.springer.com

 

[Dburr1014]

This article says uv may degrade ivermectin.

DogAware.com Health: Ivermectin Dosage Instructions for Heartworm Prevention and Treatment of Mange

It says;

Keep Ivermectin products protected from light, heat, and air. Ivermectin is sensitive to ultraviolet light and should be stored in the dark or by placing containers in an opaque bag. It can be stored at room temperature (no higher than 86 degrees F (30 degrees C)) or refrigerated.

 

[Dburr1014]

@Reefahholic, @Sisterlimonpot, @Minifoot77

Saturday I finished all my coral.
1.5ml per 12ish gallons.
First two soakings were 1 hour followed by 24 hour NSW soak with GAC.
First round was all good, second round I lost a couple frags. I blame it on not changing the water with all the die off. Some other colonies look great and some not so great. I think more sensitive coral have a harder time. I lost my BC bloodbank and Oregon tort and they were on the same rock as my walt disney. The Walt Disney is unaffected. All 3 coral were in my second round.
Better to do 1ml per 10 gallon, 1 hour soak, 1 hour NSW with GAC. Do all you intend in one day before worms start to deteriorate in your vessel. If not possible, change your water. It will get nasty.
As a dip in wondering when to add my fish, shrimp, hermits, snails, ect. How much can be in the display? I dipped, rinsed and added to 90 gallons and that also has GAC. It's been 2 days. The amount is at most 0.0000073 per gallon. That math is 2.5ml use in total divided by 90 gallons not including the NSW dip.
Shrimp will be the most effected by the toxicity. I did see a bumblebee snail already in the tank moving about. Somehow he got through.

 

[Minifoot77]

@Reefahholic, @Sisterlimonpot, @Minifoot77

Saturday I finished all my coral.
1.5ml per 12ish gallons.
First two soakings were 1 hour followed by 24 hour NSW soak with GAC.
First round was all good, second round I lost a couple frags. I blame it on not changing the water with all the die off. Some other colonies look great and some not so great. I think more sensitive coral have a harder time. I lost my BC bloodbank and Oregon tort and they were on the same rock as my walt disney. The Walt Disney is unaffected. All 3 coral were in my second round.
Better to do 1ml per 10 gallon, 1 hour soak, 1 hour NSW with GAC. Do all you intend in one day before worms start to deteriorate in your vessel. If not possible, change your water. It will get nasty.
As a dip in wondering when to add my fish, shrimp, hermits, snails, ect. How much can be in the display? I dipped, rinsed and added to 90 gallons and that also has GAC. It's been 2 days. The amount is at most 0.0000073 per gallon. That math is 2.5ml use in total divided by 90 gallons not including the NSW dip.
Shrimp will be the most effected by the toxicity. I did see a bumblebee snail already in the tank moving about. Somehow he got through.

Idk but this is what I'm worried about with my tank transfer

 

[Dburr1014]

Idk but this is what I'm worried about with my tank transfer

I transferred 4 springeri damsels and my algae blenny and another snail. Also my clam and anemone. So far, good.
Tomorrow will be my pair of clowns and my pair of royal grammas. Tang will be a while. After my pair of bellus angels are in. They are in QT.
Urchins and serpant star maybe this weekend. They might be more sensitive to ivermectin.

 

[Minifoot77]

You just dipped as you transferred tho right?

 

[Dburr1014]

You just dipped as you transferred tho right?

Dip in ivermectin one hour, fresh saltwater bath one hour with GAC, in tank with more GAC.
1ML per 10 gallon is plenty.

 

[Minifoot77]

Dip in ivermectin one hour, fresh saltwater bath one hour with GAC, in tank with more GAC.
1ML per 10 gallon is plenty.

How much at all do you think the rock would carry from one tank to the next? I want to dose my current display after I get all the fish crabs and snails out. Then rinse and add to the new display

 

[Dburr1014]

How much at all do you think the rock would carry from one tank to the next? I want to dose my current display after I get all the fish crabs and snails out. Then rinse and add to the new display

Hard to say.
Between how much you use, taking out the rock and rinsing, how much is on them? The rock will soak some up, the sand will soak some up. Every new rinse will add some to the rinse vessel...
My math was based on what I total used(2.5ml) divided by how many gallons of water was in the new tank at the time(90g).

90g = 340,687ml
340,687÷2.5=0.0000073381ml ivermectin per gallon not including what I washed off in the rinse. Which could be up to 1/2 my calculations, but probably not 1/2. I thought that would be a low enough number to take the risk of adding the fish. Granted, my cheaper fish.

This is why I feel much better doing this when I swapped tanks. It's a such low number that could potentially end up in the new display.

Edit: one more thought.
Adding ivermectin to your current display you will use more. Whether that makes a difference in your calculations, idk. More can get taken up in your rock? IDK.

 

[Minifoot77]

Hard to say.
Between how much you use, taking out the rock and rinsing, how much is on them? The rock will soak some up, the sand will soak some up. Every new rinse will add some to the rinse vessel...
My math was based on what I total used(2.5ml) divided by how many gallons of water was in the new tank at the time(90g).

90g = 340,687ml
340,687÷2.5=0.0000073381ml ivermectin per gallon not including what I washed off in the rinse. Which could be up to 1/2 my calculations, but probably not 1/2. I thought that would be a low enough number to take the risk of adding the fish. Granted, my cheaper fish.

This is why I feel much better doing this when I swapped tanks. It's a such low number that could potentially end up in the new display.

Edit: one more thought.
Adding ivermectin to your current display you will use more. Whether that makes a difference in your calculations, idk. More can get taken up in your rock? IDK.

I figure 80 gallons water volume not a lot of rock in a 75 gallon display and 40b sump new tank is 120

 

[Dburr1014]

I figure 80 gallons water volume not a lot of rock in a 75 gallon display and 40b sump new tank is 120

Are you using the existing sump for the new tank?

 

[Minifoot77]

Are you using the existing sump for the new tank?

No I have a new one in the works