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You're fine. Here's what I think and links to the research. (Sorry in advance for the data bomb.) To add to your data overload, nitrates and phosphates are only dissolved inorganic forms. There's also particualte and dissolved organic forms we can't test for. So while there's solid research to keep PO4 above .03 as ppointed out above it's possible depending on the food webs in a system coral might be able to get enough phosphorus from particulate and dissolved organic forms, And to add to the complexity, if there's enough particulate and dissolved organic phosphorus it's possible coral's might be the source of increasing PO4 levels.

This system was at .4 mg/l PO4 when this video was taken. Nitrates were negligable.



I don't see any reason to keep PO4 lower than the .03 mg/l threshold level identified by Southampton University in England. Since they determined it by looking at phosphorus deficiency in corals maintained in aquaria for up to around a decade seems like a definitive lower number until we can quantify particulate and dissloved organic P used by corals. Upwelling can expose to corals to .3 mg/l so that seems like a fine number also. And at the higher end the sexually reproduced corals at the Steinhart Aquarium are being grown out with .9 mg/l PO4 and 50 mg/l Nitrate (Rich Ross is part of the research team in case anyone was wondering).

Here's more links:

An Experimental Mesocosm for Longterm Studies of Reef Corals

Phosphate Deficiency:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching:

Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont:

Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates

Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach

High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata

Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts


Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges


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Fig 4 from "Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts"
 

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I suspect it is something other than PO4 above 0.08 that is causing STN.
Bouncing PO4 can do that, Unstable KH as well, hungry corals…
Well, after keeping my po4 at zero for a few months I've noticed growth on effected corals, do have to feed nightly to keep them from starving, tonight was definitely a good night in terms of feeding
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Been running a refeugium for 12+ hours. Also Daily filter sock/floss changes seem to help, though for now this is a coral-only setup
 

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I think the issue with high phosphate is unwanted hair algaes can take hold. Corals and the zoos in them prob like the higher phos. Here in michigan the great lakes can get nasty algaes late summer do to high phos and high water temps. The phos comes from fertilizer from farm run off. Pretty much kills all the native species of seaweed and and the critters that live in it. The low phos is to keep those crappy algaes in check
 

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Everyone's sweet spot is a little different.
That being said, I like my mixed reef between .3 and 1.0 with nitrates in the 20s

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Just a warning, GFO has caused lot more issues for people compared to PO4.
My numbers:
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Corals:
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Well, it's worked for me. Plus the po4 did raise in only a few days so best to get it down before the STN sets in with my leptastrea. Did just take the last bag out last week after my po4 had been zero for a few months. Guess I fed too heavy this week...
 

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.6 phosphate on my system and nitrates test around 50. Sps dominant. If the corals don't show problems then you don't have one. Algae can become a concern but the right fish can help with that. Don't chase numbers.
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Eye opening to see your corals and your numbers. I think I can relax now on my nutrients anxiety. What are your teal polyped corals?
 

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Everyone's sweet spot is a little different.
That being said, I like my mixed reef between .3 and 1.0 with nitrates in the 20s

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Gorgeous colors! Thank you for sharing your photos, parameters, and the thread link to grand master tank parameters. That was really shocking and informative.
 

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Everyone's sweet spot is a little different.
That being said, I like my mixed reef between .3 and 1.0 with nitrates in the 20s

IMG20231013193319.jpg IMG20231013193326.jpg
Sorry .03 to .1
 

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so just a filter media bag with some gfo would do it? i don't need a reactor or anything fancy right?

Yep. You can mix it with carbon if you want to prevent it from clumping. I just toss GFO in a tiny bag and keep it for a day or two to fix phosphate when I have too much.
 

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