Ich outbreak

[alsante]

I have had an outbreak of ich in my tank. I plan to set up a quarantine tank tomorrow to medicate fish and allow tank to fallow for 76 days. My question is what size quarantine tank do I need for my specific fish/can fish go together in the same tank? I have 2 Bangaii cardinal fish, a starry blenny, two clown fish, and a long nose hawkfish. Currently one clown and the starry blenny have signs of ich and a yellow clown goby has died from ich. I think the goby may have introduced it to the tank.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have had an outbreak of ich in my tank. I plan to set up a quarantine tank tomorrow to medicate fish and allow tank to fallow for 76 days. My question is what size quarantine tank do I need for my specific fish/can fish go together in the same tank? I have 2 Bangaii cardinal fish, a starry blenny, two clown fish, and a long nose hawkfish. Currently one clown and the starry blenny have signs of ich and a yellow clown goby has died from ich. I think the goby may have introduced it to the tank.

Im not convinced on ich as I am on secondary bacterial lesions from Brooklynella also referred to as clown disease.
he most significant sign is the amount of slime on its body. The thick mucus on its body generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus.
Typical treatment is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
If a formalin solution is not available for immediate use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.

 

[alsante]

Im not convinced on ich as I am on secondary bacterial lesions from Brooklynella also referred to as clown disease.
he most significant sign is the amount of slime on its body. The thick mucus on its body generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus.
Typical treatment is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
If a formalin solution is not available for immediate use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.

Thank you for that information! What about my other fish that are showing signs of disease? I have attached a picture of the yellow clown goby which was just introduced to the tank three days ago. He was swimming around fine but I’m not sure he was eating. This afternoon he had deteriorated very quickly from the time I left for work to when I got home. Barely moving and it almost looked like his scales were flakey and his body was deteriorating. The spots look very white in the images but seemed less white in person. I have also noticed strange behavior with the blenny of thrashing on the sand and there seems to be trauma underneath the fish. It’s hard for me to see any disease on the blenny. The clown I have had in the tank three months no issues until now. What could be going on with the other fish? Ich or something else?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thank you for that information! What about my other fish that are showing signs of disease? I have attached a picture of the yellow clown goby which was just introduced to the tank three days ago. He was swimming around fine but I’m not sure he was eating. This afternoon he had deteriorated very quickly from the time I left for work to when I got home. Barely moving and it almost looked like his scales were flakey and his body was deteriorating. The spots look very white in the images but seemed less white in person. I have also noticed strange behavior with the blenny of thrashing on the sand and there seems to be trauma underneath the fish. It’s hard for me to see any disease on the blenny. The clown I have had in the tank three months no issues until now. What could be going on with the other fish? Ich or something else?

The other fish mainly clown goby seem infected also and will need same treatment along with display tank remain in fishless 5-6 weeks. Any coral and inverts can remain in display tank during fishless period

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thank you for that information! What about my other fish that are showing signs of disease? I have attached a picture of the yellow clown goby which was just introduced to the tank three days ago. He was swimming around fine but I’m not sure he was eating. This afternoon he had deteriorated very quickly from the time I left for work to when I got home. Barely moving and it almost looked like his scales were flakey and his body was deteriorating. The spots look very white in the images but seemed less white in person. I have also noticed strange behavior with the blenny of thrashing on the sand and there seems to be trauma underneath the fish. It’s hard for me to see any disease on the blenny. The clown I have had in the tank three months no issues until now. What could be going on with the other fish? Ich or something else?

That does look like advanced ich to me.

Jay

 

[alsante]

Thank you for that information! What about my other fish that are showing signs of disease? I have attached a picture of the yellow clown goby which was just introduced to the tank three days ago. He was swimming around fine but I’m not sure he was eating. This afternoon he had deteriorated very quickly from the time I left for work to when I got home. Barely moving and it almost looked like his scales were flakey and his body was deteriorating. The spots look very white in the images but seemed less white in person. I have also noticed strange behavior with the blenny of thrashing on the sand and there seems to be trauma underneath the fish. It’s hard for me to see any disease on the blenny. The clown I have had in the tank three months no issues until now. What could be going on with the other fish? Ich or something else?

That does look like advanced ich to me.

Jay

The clown as well? I tried to do FW dip but couldn’t catch them. Going to LFS today to get everything I need for treatment, hoping they all make it… Blenny looks worse

 

[MnFish1]

One problem - in looking at the pictures of the clown is that often times brooklynella can look much like many other diseases like Ich - the general response to both can be thickening of mucus. Ich is more spots, brook more patches. Breathing seems more impaired in brooklynella, less with ich (at least mild-moderate ich). So - can be difficult to differentiate the 2. I only wanted to mention that all of the fish in the tank should be treated - and ask the question - were any of them quarantined before additional to the DT (and treated with medication) - if they were, it could make brooklynella more likely. Hope this didn't add more confusion to the issue!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The clown as well? I tried to do FW dip but couldn’t catch them. Going to LFS today to get everything I need for treatment, hoping they all make it… Blenny looks worse

Tough to see ich on that species of blenny. The large white nodules on the clown goby is how ich shows on that species.
Jay