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Nobody is saying bacteria is not important. The statement I made that you quoted was specifically related to the ages of 2 long-lived individuals, in that if bacteria and 'dirty conditions' which were more pprevelent'back in the day" then why weren't people with that longevity more commonplace. The answer has more to do with genetics than dirty rags over cuts.Someone once said something like: "The only way to underestimate the impact of microbes on our lives is to fail to account for them."
(Mighta been Zimmerman, but he also mighta been quoting someone else....and the article is gone.)
We are living in a bacterial world, and it's impacting us more than previously thought
^---That's the scientists talking c.2013.
Bacteria are not dirty, they are plants.
Bacteria are not plants.
I can't give you 25 yr old fish. I have only kept saltwater for the last 9. The first few years I didn't qt and everything went along fine, until I lost about a third of the fish I had. Thinking I had learned how to spot and manage with disease I continued on my way, all the while feeding a fresh seafood diet. A year later I lost a few more fish. It was then I learned that if I ever had the chance I would qt.Bacteria, Not dirty conditions. Bacteria are not dirty, they are plants. I would not suggest a dirty tank or a dirty home. A large part of us and fish is bacteria "and" parasites.
I am still waiting for those 25 year old, spawning, quarantined fish that have never been sick.
You've only been keeping fish for nine years?I can't give you 25 yr old fish. I have only kept saltwater for the last 9. The first few years I didn't qt and everything went along fine, until I lost about a third of the fish I had. Thinking I had learned how to spot and manage with disease I continued on my way, all the while feeding a fresh seafood diet. A year later I lost a few more fish. It was then I learned that if I ever had the chance I would qt.
After switching houses 2x in 3 months I restarted a reef in the beginning of 2015. So I can't show 25yr old fish. I also don't have many paired fish, as most of the fish I keep transition to male, so it isn't really worth having prs. But I do habe a pr of marine bettas, and if I get an endoscopic camera I can show you they spawned. I just got a pr of clowns last week(at the insistance of wife and kids), so when they get sexually mature they will spawn. The male wrasses I have nightly go into nuptial displays, so they are conditioned to spawn, just don't have a partner. I have a starry blenny that in the evenings turns his whole body white while keeping his head dark, which is a nuptial display, but he doesn't have a partner. I have a male huchtii anthias that would go into a nuptial display with a female parvirostis anthias, until she transitioned into male.
The lifespans of the wrasses and anthias also don't reach 25yrs, so around 5-8yrs is more like it. But when my clowns and marine bettas do if your still around I'll gladly let you know.
Saltwater, yes. Freshwater, as long as I can remember. I got hired at an LFS in the fall of 2007, and knew next to nothing about saltwater. But I love fish and can't learn enough about them.You've only been keeping fish for nine years?
This reminds me, I also have a pr of cleaner shrimp and a pr of blood shrimp that always have a clutch of eggs.Paul, both pairs of fish below were in my care for many years, were QT'd and spawned regularly. They still continue to spawn in their new homes.
They spawn too!
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Paul, both pairs of fish below were in my care for many years, were QT'd and spawned regularly. They still continue to spawn in their new homes.
No we are saying quarantined mandarins, shrimp and clowns will spawn in Bob's tank as he knows what he is doing.Wait, so what are "we" trying to say? QT'd fish can't be healthy? QT'd fish won't spawn?
I also love fish. I just bought a pound of cod and a pound of lemon sole for dinner tonight. I started keeping fish in 1952 but that was before they invented water so we kept them in damp sawdust.Saltwater, yes. Freshwater, as long as I can remember. I got hired at an LFS in the fall of 2007, and knew next to nothing about saltwater. But I love fish and can't learn enough about them.
The lifespans of the wrasses and anthias also don't reach 25yrs, so around 5-8yrs is more like it. But when my clowns and marine bettas do if your still around I'll gladly let you know.
Get out of the 70s, Dude... they haven't been plants for quite some time. (JOKING!)
Wait, so what are "we" trying to say? QT'd fish can't be healthy? QT'd fish won't spawn?
The big issue with this is that this is all being inferred based on numerous assumptions and no real data. It's basically an elaborate story inferred from a very narrow experience. Also you are making a classic mistake in the "nobody has fish that survive", you are comparing people with decades of experience with everyone else. Most of the people you see posting about disease and death are not comparable from an experience stand point. The experts, on both sides, have fish that survive and once again there's no meaningful data to suggest otherwise.Excellent questions!
I think the thread is (still) talking about immunity.
"We're" trying to say, in a nutshell, that QT can have a negative impact on immunity. And that dysfunctional immunity why almost nobody has fish that survive – let alone spawn.
I assume your clowns will also reach 26 years old but they will probably not respect you.