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[kingranch2003]

Smart man!

What I want to know is:

When did the electrical engineers of the world decide it was okay to stop using silver plated high voltage contacts?

I have had the worst luck with titanium heaters. Every time I've used one, I've gotten stray voltage in my tank. A quick search of R2R and you will see that my case wasn't an isolated issue. I went back to the old school glass with a controller.

 

[kingranch2003]

happening everywhere, my small town is still quiet, crime is here, but to many folks know to many folks

That's my town in a nutshell, but then there's a beach!

The casinos brought in a lot of crime, as did post Katrina transplants.

 

[UncommonSense]

I have had the worst luck with titanium heaters. Every time I've used one, I've gotten stray voltage in my tank. A quick search of R2R and you will see that my case wasn't an isolated issue. I went back to the old school glass with a controller.

Interesting… the titanium body on most models is grounded…

Assuming your grounding is all done properly, you should be getting (near) zero stray voltage with a titanium heater plugged in, not the other way around!

 

[kingranch2003]

Good to see you tonight Joel.

 

[That Crusso Kid]

Interesting… the titanium body on most models is grounded…

Assuming your grounding is all done properly, you should be getting (near) zero stray voltage with a titanium heater plugged in, not the other way around!

Oh sure, I go to make a coffee and you beat me to it again. I snooze, I loooooze.

 

[kingranch2003]

Interesting… the titanium body on most models is grounded…

Assuming your grounding is all done properly, you should be getting (near) zero stray voltage with a titanium heater plugged in, not the other way around!

Maybe it was a single unit issue. Everything is max spec on my electrical. But I've seen that this was a recurring issue. No GFCI trip either

 

[kingranch2003]

Oh sure, I go to make a coffee and you beat me to it again. I snooze, I loooooze.

That's what you get for making coffee at dam midnight Chris.

 

[kingranch2003]

That's what you get for making coffee at dam midnight Chris.

You're name probably isn't even Chris. It's probably Othello or something.

 

[That Crusso Kid]

Good to see you tonight Joel.

Such a cool friendship they had.

 

[UncommonSense]

Maybe it was a single unit issue. Everything is max spec on my electrical. But I've seen that this was a recurring issue. No GFCI trip either

I’ll be keeping an eye out for this, then… I keep trying to transition away from ungrounded/breakable/leaky Eheim heaters, but it seems that they still have their place…

I will say that this Hygger is the first “titanium” heater tube I’ve seen actually corroding/oxidizing like this… i’m 99% sure it was never run dry, given that I did a custom installation with polycarbonate mounts holding it lower than the return pump’s inlet…

 

[That Crusso Kid]

That's what you get for making coffee at dam midnight Chris.

1:24am and there is never a bad time to have a delicious cup of coffee.

 

[kingranch2003]

1:24am and there is never a bad time to have a delicious cup of coffee.

That's right! We'll you're closer to dawn than I am anyways, so enjoy sir!

 

[kingranch2003]

Such a cool friendship they had.

Of course you know the story

 

[kingranch2003]

I’ll be keeping an eye out for this, then… I keep trying to transition away from ungrounded/breakable/leaky Eheim heaters, but it seems that they still have their place…

I will say that this Hygger is the first “titanium” heater tube I’ve seen actually corroding/oxidizing like this… i’m 99% sure it was never run dry, given that I did a custom installation with polycarbonate mounts holding it lower than the return pump’s inlet…

I forgot to mention that the heater in question is also a hygger with hygger controller. I love their wavemakers, but will never own their heater again.

 

[UncommonSense]

I forgot to mention that the heater in question is also a hygger with hygger controller. I love their wavemakers, but will never own their heater again.

Yeah… doing a bit more digging on this dog doodoo… apparently cheapo off-brands have been known to electroplate a titanium film over stainless steel heater tubes…

Also, the relays failed at <25% of their “rated” load… a 500W heater on a 100-110 gallon true volume system with 1.8F dead-band definitely wasn’t short-cycling, either…

I strongly dislike trade fraud… this one’s getting a dedicated failure analysis thread.

 

[kingranch2003]

Yeah… doing a bit more digging on this dog doodoo… apparently cheapo off-brands have been known to electroplate a titanium film over stainless steel heater tubes…

Also, the relays failed at <25% of their “rated” load… a 500W heater on a 100-110 gallon true volume system with 1.8F dead-band definitely wasn’t short-cycling, either…

I strongly dislike trade fraud… this one’s getting a dedicated failure analysis thread.

I wonder, at the risk of sounding ignorant, if something similar to a zinc plate would work in a reef tank. Electrolysis basically...
Im thinking about something like what outboard boat motors use to prevent corrosion.

It could potentially ward away corrosion and maybe serve as a protective buffer against something like a rusty magnet for example.

 

[That Crusso Kid]

I wonder, at the risk of sounding ignorant, if something similar to a zinc plate would work in a reef tank. Electrolysis basically...
Im thinking about something like what outboard boat motors use to prevent corrosion.

It could potentially ward away corrosion and maybe serve as a protective buffer against something like a rusty magnet for example.

No go on zinc. It leaches and also corrodes.

 

[UncommonSense]

I wonder, at the risk of sounding ignorant, if something similar to a zinc plate would work in a reef tank. Electrolysis basically...
Im thinking about something like what outboard boat motors use to prevent corrosion.

It could potentially ward away corrosion and maybe serve as a protective buffer against something like a rusty magnet for example.

Ah, sadly the zinc is in-itself a pretty nasty metal to contend with in a closed system!

It’s a “sacrificial metal”, basically meaning it will corrode away before the base metal it’s protecting will! (But, it’s still corroding into your closed saltwater system!)

The best bets are metals which are capable of forming a protective oxide layer naturally, such as grade 5 titanium alloy! (Or grade 316 stainless steel for non-immersed components/immersed marine boat stuff!)

As an aside, thread made:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/failure-analysis-hygger-heater-controller-stuck-on-hg-802.1155181/

 

[kingranch2003]

Ah, sadly the zinc is in-itself a pretty nasty metal to contend with in a closed system!

It’s a “sacrificial metal”, basically meaning it will corrode away before the base metal it’s protecting will! (But, it’s still corroding into your closed saltwater system!)

The best bets are metals which are capable of forming a protective oxide layer naturally, such as grade 5 titanium alloy! (Or grade 316 stainless steel for non-immersed components/immersed marine boat stuff!)

As an aside, thread made:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/failure-analysis-hygger-heater-controller-stuck-on-hg-802.1155181/

Exactly right! That's what I meant when I said "something like". It wouldn't have to be as effective in such a small setting. This is a great article BTW.

 

[kingranch2003]

No go on zinc. It leaches and also corrodes.

Right. And erodes