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Does anyone actually know what species pc rainbow, paletta pink tip and jason fox flame acro actually are? or have the species names been long forgotten.
 
PC Rainbow is a color morph of Acropora convexa. A quick Google search says that the other two haven't been definitively identified. Species identification of corals is honestly quite difficult, as I understand it, and requires either DNA analysis or skeletal examination under a microscope to really nail down. A. tenuis is a decent guess for both of them, but it's just that - a guess. People better-informed than I speculated that Fox Flame may have been A. appressa, but for hobbyist purposes it's difficult to justify the cost of a formal species designation.
 
Does anyone actually know what species pc rainbow, paletta pink tip and jason fox flame acro actually are? or have the species names been long forgotten.
Acros that have been in the hobby for a long time generally are not able to be IDed to the species level because of deformation.

PC Rainbow is a color morph of Acropora convexa. A quick Google search says that the other two haven't been definitively identified. Species identification of corals is honestly quite difficult, as I understand it, and requires either DNA analysis or skeletal examination under a microscope to really nail down. A. tenuis is a decent guess for both of them, but it's just that - a guess. People better-informed than I speculated that Fox Flame may have been A. appressa, but for hobbyist purposes it's difficult to justify the cost of a formal species designation.
A. convexa is millepora-like, and given PC rainbows have thick, rounded radials, they're probably not  convexa.
 Madrepora convexa Lectotype USNM 236 | Singapore | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
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PC Rainbow Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Pieces of the Ocean
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As for Paletta Pink Tip, that one's also not A. tenuis given Paletta's (also) rounded radials in contrast to  tenuis's labellate, flared radials.
Paletta Pink Tip | Aquarium | Credit: @maroun.c
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Madrepora tenuis Holotype USNM 259 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
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As for Fox Flame, A. appressa is a a valid guess, but there are also other species to rule out, like  valida, nana, willisae, etc.
Fox Flame Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Battlecorals
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Heteropora appressa Type Specimen (?, catalog number unknown, possibly ZMB 878) | either unrecorded or Singapore (presumably, according to Veron (1984)) | Credit: CotW
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Madrepora valida Holotype USNM 272 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
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Acropora (Acropora) willisae Holotype MTQ G49313 | Great Barrier Reef | Credit: CotW
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On the note about DNA analysis, DNA analysis is not the end-all-be-all, as molecular methods alone cannot identify a coral species. Corals thought to be of the same species but either from different localities or of slightly differing morphology will often produce differing DNA results with genetic analysis. This is because many of what are thought to be distinct species are actually cryptic species complexes which need detangling. Modern coral taxonomists have to use not just use DNA analysis, but also compare with type specimens and original descriptions, and collect from type localities whenever possible to produce topotypes which most closely match the studied species for molecular sampling whenever possible.

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Acros that have been in the hobby for a long time generally are not able to be IDed to the species level because of deformation.


A. convexa is millepora-like, and given PC rainbows have thick, rounded radials, they're probably not  convexa.
 Madrepora convexa Lectotype USNM 236 | Singapore | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786403209351.png

PC Rainbow Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Pieces of the Ocean
1786405733326.png


As for Paletta Pink Tip, that one's also not A. tenuis given Paletta's (also) rounded radials in contrast to  tenuis's labellate, flared radials.
Paletta Pink Tip | Aquarium | Credit: @maroun.c
1786406844229.png

Madrepora tenuis Holotype USNM 259 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786407664418.png


As for Fox Flame, A. appressa is a a valid guess, but there are also other species to rule out, like  valida, nana, willisae, etc.
Fox Flame Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Battlecorals
1786409789026.png

Heteropora appressa Type Specimen (?, catalog number unknown, possibly ZMB 878) | either unrecorded or Singapore (presumably, according to Veron (1984)) | Credit: CotW
1786423688362.png

Madrepora valida Holotype USNM 272 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786423615650-png.4525733

Acropora (Acropora) willisae Holotype MTQ G49313 | Great Barrier Reef | Credit: CotW
1786426099317.png


On the note about DNA analysis, DNA analysis is not the end-all-be-all, as molecular methods alone cannot identify a coral species. Corals thought to be of the same species but either from different localities or of slightly differing morphology will often produce differing DNA results with genetic analysis. This is because many of what are thought to be distinct species are actually cryptic species complexes which need detangling. Modern coral taxonomists have to use not just use DNA analysis, but also compare with type specimens and original descriptions, and collect from type localities whenever possible to produce topotypes which most closely match the studied species for molecular sampling whenever possible.

1786423615650.png
What do you mean by deformation though, do corals overtime in captivity get deformed in the physical sense? or in the sense of different tank conditions will produce different growth patterns
 
Acros that have been in the hobby for a long time generally are not able to be IDed to the species level because of deformation.


A. convexa is millepora-like, and given PC rainbows have thick, rounded radials, they're probably not  convexa.
 Madrepora convexa Lectotype USNM 236 | Singapore | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786403209351.png

PC Rainbow Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Pieces of the Ocean
1786405733326.png


As for Paletta Pink Tip, that one's also not A. tenuis given Paletta's (also) rounded radials in contrast to  tenuis's labellate, flared radials.
Paletta Pink Tip | Aquarium | Credit: @maroun.c
1786406844229.png

Madrepora tenuis Holotype USNM 259 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786407664418.png


As for Fox Flame, A. appressa is a a valid guess, but there are also other species to rule out, like  valida, nana, willisae, etc.
Fox Flame Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Battlecorals
1786409789026.png

Heteropora appressa Type Specimen (?, catalog number unknown, possibly ZMB 878) | either unrecorded or Singapore (presumably, according to Veron (1984)) | Credit: CotW
1786423688362.png

Madrepora valida Holotype USNM 272 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786423615650-png.4525733

Acropora (Acropora) willisae Holotype MTQ G49313 | Great Barrier Reef | Credit: CotW
1786426099317.png


On the note about DNA analysis, DNA analysis is not the end-all-be-all, as molecular methods alone cannot identify a coral species. Corals thought to be of the same species but either from different localities or of slightly differing morphology will often produce differing DNA results with genetic analysis. This is because many of what are thought to be distinct species are actually cryptic species complexes which need detangling. Modern coral taxonomists have to use not just use DNA analysis, but also compare with type specimens and original descriptions, and collect from type localities whenever possible to produce topotypes which most closely match the studied species for molecular sampling whenever possible.

1786423615650.png
What do you mean by deformation though, do corals overtime in captivity get deformed in the physical sense? or in the sense of different tank conditions will produce different growth patterns
Corals tend to become deformed overtime in aquariums for reasons beyond our knowledge or control. By deformation I mean morphologically "softening": corals tend to lose corallite definition as flesh/polyps inflate/extend more. In Acropora this is expressed by more rounded thecae and irregular branching/growth form.
 
Corals tend to become deformed overtime in aquariums for reasons beyond our knowledge or control. By deformation I mean morphologically "softening": corals tend to lose corallite definition as flesh/polyps inflate/extend more. In Acropora this is expressed by more rounded thecae and irregular branching/growth form.
You especially see this in systems with low intensity lighting, overly blue lighting, low flow. Any environment drastically different from their natural environment.
 
Acros that have been in the hobby for a long time generally are not able to be IDed to the species level because of deformation.


A. convexa is millepora-like, and given PC rainbows have thick, rounded radials, they're probably not  convexa.
 Madrepora convexa Lectotype USNM 236 | Singapore | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786403209351.png

PC Rainbow Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Pieces of the Ocean
1786405733326.png


As for Paletta Pink Tip, that one's also not A. tenuis given Paletta's (also) rounded radials in contrast to  tenuis's labellate, flared radials.
Paletta Pink Tip | Aquarium | Credit: @maroun.c
1786406844229.png

Madrepora tenuis Holotype USNM 259 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786407664418.png


As for Fox Flame, A. appressa is a a valid guess, but there are also other species to rule out, like  valida, nana, willisae, etc.
Fox Flame Acro | Aquarium | Credit: @Battlecorals
1786409789026.png

Heteropora appressa Type Specimen (?, catalog number unknown, possibly ZMB 878) | either unrecorded or Singapore (presumably, according to Veron (1984)) | Credit: CotW
1786423688362.png

Madrepora valida Holotype USNM 272 | Fiji | Credit: Smithsonian Collections
1786423615650-png.4525733

Acropora (Acropora) willisae Holotype MTQ G49313 | Great Barrier Reef | Credit: CotW
1786426099317.png


On the note about DNA analysis, DNA analysis is not the end-all-be-all, as molecular methods alone cannot identify a coral species. Corals thought to be of the same species but either from different localities or of slightly differing morphology will often produce differing DNA results with genetic analysis. This is because many of what are thought to be distinct species are actually cryptic species complexes which need detangling. Modern coral taxonomists have to use not just use DNA analysis, but also compare with type specimens and original descriptions, and collect from type localities whenever possible to produce topotypes which most closely match the studied species for molecular sampling whenever possible.

1786423615650.png
Appreciate the in-depth explanation, just further serving to illustrate why species identification is tough, especially for hobbyist corals. I'm not surprised I was likely wrong on my assertions.
 
was watching a tank showcase and noticed, would the JF flame be the same species as the garth bonsai?


5:41, and also at the start of the video

It shows a JF flame acro thats grafted with a garth bonsai, or just luck and they arent bleaching each other?
 
10:44 also gives a closeup
was watching a tank showcase and noticed, would the JF flame be the same species as the garth bonsai?


5:41, and also at the start of the video

It shows a JF flame acro thats grafted with a garth bonsai, or just luck and they arent bleaching each other?
 
Corals tend to become deformed overtime in aquariums for reasons beyond our knowledge or control. By deformation I mean morphologically "softening": corals tend to lose corallite definition as flesh/polyps inflate/extend more. In Acropora this is expressed by more rounded thecae and irregular branching/growth form.
Just my opinion on the subject... Deformities found today are mostly related to LED light in my observations. The distorted colony formation we see today is a new thing, a new type never seen before. The projections are very messed up with tips going different directions and staghorn Acros very weird. The defects are emphasized with lower intensity/extra blue/absence of white diodes. It is very clear to me that LEDs are the culprit to what's going on today. There were deformities in much less numbers under halides and T5s, but they were all related to flow in the past. And we all knew and sometimes pointed those cases. That's why I see that it's absolutely related to LEDs what we see today. T5s are the very best technology to have uniform colonies. The very best! But they only cover well tanks up to 24" deep. I love T5s! Halides will give the best spectrum and with T5s we have the very best to offer.

I watched the video on post #8 showing the corals under Straton fixtures. I know how the corals will be under Straton, one of the best LEDs in existence, but also know the deformities can be very evident under Straton for some species. LEDs are LEDs. The technology is one and qualities of the light follows the technology no matter what. It's like a signature. In the video I found many colonies only partly deformed and was actually surprised... until the owner of the tank mentioned that the majority of the growth was under T5s. If you have experience, and observe well the corals, you can tell most of the time.

This is not to provoke anyone to come against me with a defense mode about their LEDs. There is no need to think that I'm trying to attack LEDs here. This is just my opinion after many years of observations. It doesn't matter how much "white light" or "intensity" the tank receives from LEDs. Deformed colonies, in comparison to halides and/or T5s, is always evident.

Today, without any DNA/type speciemens to compare species it is just a fun sport to try to identify any Acropora. Always great to try as a hobby using the plates. But if the colony developed under LEDs, it's impossible in many cases in my opinion.

GOTTA LOVE ACROS!!!!
 
Just my opinion on the subject... Deformities found today are mostly related to LED light in my observations. The distorted colony formation we see today is a new thing, a new type never seen before. The projections are very messed up with tips going different directions and staghorn Acros very weird. The defects are emphasized with lower intensity/extra blue/absence of white diodes. It is very clear to me that LEDs are the culprit to what's going on today. There were deformities in much less numbers under halides and T5s, but they were all related to flow in the past. And we all knew and sometimes pointed those cases. That's why I see that it's absolutely related to LEDs what we see today. T5s are the very best technology to have uniform colonies. The very best! But they only cover well tanks up to 24" deep. I love T5s! Halides will give the best spectrum and with T5s we have the very best to offer.

I watched the video on post #8 showing the corals under Straton fixtures. I know how the corals will be under Straton, one of the best LEDs in existence, but also know the deformities can be very evident under Straton for some species. LEDs are LEDs. The technology is one and qualities of the light follows the technology no matter what. It's like a signature. In the video I found many colonies only partly deformed and was actually surprised... until the owner of the tank mentioned that the majority of the growth was under T5s. If you have experience, and observe well the corals, you can tell most of the time.

This is not to provoke anyone to come against me with a defense mode about their LEDs. There is no need to think that I'm trying to attack LEDs here. This is just my opinion after many years of observations. It doesn't matter how much "white light" or "intensity" the tank receives from LEDs. Deformed colonies, in comparison to halides and/or T5s, is always evident.

Today, without any DNA/type speciemens to compare species it is just a fun sport to try to identify any Acropora. Always great to try as a hobby using the plates. But if the colony developed under LEDs, it's impossible in many cases in my opinion.

GOTTA LOVE ACROS!!!!
So do you think that the JF flame and Garth bonsai is due to deformities or due to grafting?
 

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