Are We Entitled to Affordable Prices?

Are We Entitled to Affordable Prices in Reefing?

  • Yes, it’s important!

    Votes: 17 29.8%
  • No, it’s optional and unnecessary

    Votes: 32 56.1%
  • Other (feel free to explain)

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • Total voters
    57

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Are we entitled to affordability, or is reefing based on discretionary income and exclusive? Where’s the line?
 
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If you were born before 1977 then you would not be entitled for any of these modern benefits, rather you would only have a right to choose between death and taxes.
Since 1977, entitlements have skyrocketed in direct proportion to the famous Hockey Stick Graft that was discovered by computer modelers who were hired to influence young minds. You may have rights since you may have been wronged by recent price increases, according to recent polls?

I don’t know how to calculate the value of these things, but I am certain that they would help many by greatly benefiting the few who organize them.

Otherwise Yes, and No, Know doubt.
Who's trying to enact price caps?
politicians and grifters will have to make a choice, to support or to ban the hobby. Otherwise, who’s going to pay for my free lunch?
 
Rhetorical. The free market dictates pricing right now. The question is, should it?
I think the free market for this hobby is fine and worrying over it seems like some sort of fringe political/economic pessimism to me.

There are bigger fish to fry pun unintended.
 
I think the free market for this hobby is fine and worrying over it seems like some sort of fringe political/economic pessimism to me.

There are bigger fish to fry pun unintended.
I agree, and am not making a point here. This is just an honest question.
 
No, we're not entitled to "affordable" anything. And in fact, price caps usually end up having the opposite of the intended effect.

Artificially setting the price of anything - whether food, fuel, or hobby supplies - almost always ends up either overcharging people or severely restricting the supply, forcing people to either go without something or turn to less-than-legal pathways to obtain what they need.

If we want lower prices, there are only two reliable ways to do so: Increase the supply, and reduce barriers to entry to the marketplace. When suppliers don't face competition and can simply dictate their terms, prices soar. But when they have to fight to protect their market share, prices come down and supply and innovation increase, to the limits of current raw materials and technology.

Retreating from abstract principles and moving back to reefing-specific topics:

The answer to high-priced named corals is for those of us who have the skills and willingness to cultivate corals to do so and sell them at a price low enough to steal market share. If a Walt Disney frag sells for $150, but you can produce enough of them to sell at $125 and steal the market from other vendors, the price will fall. If regular hobbyists can't make enough of a dent in the market to drop the price of that coral, then we might just need to accept that $150 is a fair price for that coral given the difficulties in growing it. If you can't afford $150 for a coral, then you just need to accept that you can't have that coral and be happy with the ones you can afford.

And even if you don't want to sell corals yourself, support the vendors who you feel are charging a fairer price for their corals. Prices come down when consumer action forces them to, so be the change you want to see. If that means you buy from Queen City Corals instead of WWC, then buy from them.

And likewise with reefing equipment. Nicrew instead of Ecotech; Hygger instead of Maxspect. When there's a cheaper option that works just fine but doesn't carry the brand name, don't just pay more. That's not to say you can't buy from a premium vendor if you feel like their product really does earn its pricing premium. But make sure you're actually getting your money's worth and not just paying a premium for a name.
 
Aw, not even your own opinion?
Using this definition definitely not.

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I think deserving and entitled to are being confused 🤔
 
If we want lower prices, there are only two reliable ways to do so: Increase the supply, and reduce barriers to entry to the marketplace.

There are some others...

Spread rumors that it causes explosive diarrhea

Pay as celebrity to claim it caused a cockroach infestation

Make a TikTok video showing the package explode if it gets too warm in the car

I'm sure you can think of even better ways. :)
 
To me the concept of "fair price" has much to do with 'what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller, when neither are under compulsion to act.'
 
I am not from the entitled world. I wish everything was as affordable as it was 20 years ago. So having said that now a days i get what I can and not worry about what I can't get.
 
I think this is a better question than people are giving you credit for. Are we entitled to a fair price v paying a "reef tax"? At what point is a markup exorbitant? I think this could be a good topic for discussion if people put politics aside.
 
I think this is a better question than people are giving you credit for. Are we entitled to a fair price v paying a "reef tax"? At what point is a markup exorbitant? I think this could be a good topic for discussion if people put politics aside.
There is NO SUCH THING. The market dictates the price - not some reefing government or official on R2R or somewhere else! If people are willing to pay for particular goods and/or service, than that is how the pricing should reflect. Competition and availability is how you encourage prices to lower - not limits.
 
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There is NO SUCH THING. The market dictates the price - not some reefing government or official on R2R or somewhere else! If people are willing to pay for particular goods and/or service, than that is how the pricing should reflect. Competition and availability is how you encourage prices to lower - not limits.

O NOT NEED A REEF TO SURVIVE.
I'm not referring to a literal tax. The mark up on aquarium equipment is ridiculous. Competition works well, if they aren't fighting over a small slice of the market like reef aquarists. When you have a small market that needs your product you can mark up prices as much as you want. If you find the discussion distasteful perhaps you're reading too much into what was asked.
 
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