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my top two choices would be the turbo aquatics ( if you can find one)
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the icecap pro. the one that stands in the sump. that is what I am going with.

I have seen people either spray it black to reduce any light spill. not sure where i saw that but it was some where around the reef.

I am basically doing the same adding the ATS to the skimmer chamber so the fuge can be LS and rock cryptic zone.
 
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my top two choices would be the turbo aquatics ( if you can find one)
or
the icecap pro. the one that stands in the sump. that is what I am going with.

I have seen people either spray it black to reduce any light spill. not sure where i saw that but it was some where around the reef.

I am basically doing the same adding the ATS to the skimmer chamber so the fuge can be LS and rock cryptic zone.

Thanks. The icecap looks like it may not have too much light spill compared to others I've seen. I also love the attached pump. I looked at the Santa Monica ones but really don't want to have to find a pump with the correct flow rate and I sure don't want an air pump humming in the living room like some of the other SM ones use.
 

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Thanks. The icecap looks like it may not have too much light spill compared to others I've seen. I also love the attached pump. I looked at the Santa Monica ones but really don't want to have to find a pump with the correct flow rate and I sure don't want an air pump humming in the living room like some of the other SM ones use.
I know not sure why they dont make em' in black right.
from the pics I seen online and talking to reefers it's not bad. but it you are looking for zero then maybe the product for you.
 

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The ice caps have terrible light spill

You are basically making my setup. An ats with a cryptic zone.

Here are photos of my cabinet open, with my scrubber on. Zero light spill unless I open the lid.

This is the Santa Monica surf 2. It floats in my middle sump chamber. I have live rock under and beside it packed in along with a 3” sandbed. There is no water pump needed and no risk of leaking or overflowing. It’s silent when you close the lid. There is an air pump but if you buy a decent one they are nearly silent also.

My tank thread has all the info on this setup. I would highly recommend it

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The ice caps have terrible light spill

You are basically making my setup. An ats with a cryptic zone.

Here are photos of my cabinet open, with my scrubber on. Zero light spill unless I open the lid.

This is the Santa Monica surf 2. It floats in my middle sump chamber. I have live rock under and beside it packed in along with a 3” sandbed. There is no water pump needed and no risk of leaking or overflowing. It’s silent when you close the lid. There is an air pump but if you buy a decent one they are nearly silent also.

My tank thread has all the info on this setup. I would highly recommend it

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Thanks for chiming in. That rain 2 looks like it would be perfect for a cryptic zone set up. Floating will allow a lot more space for rock and such. Your system shows that they grow algae even though it's impossible for a scrubber to prevent algae from growing in the display :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing: Sorry, I followed a couple of the threads where the naysayers were arguing that is impossible tho some had not even used a scrubber. I'll go dig through my box of pumps from my freshwater days and see if I have one that isn't too noisy.
 

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My results speak for themselves I’ve been in the hobby 23 years and been using this scrubber for 10 years. I know what it can and can’t do lol.

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My nano has a scrubber also. It also grows algae just fine
 

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My nano has a scrubber also. It also grows algae just fine
Ya I've been running chaeto fuges in my 3 tanks from the begining. IMO it's useless for anything except providing a place for little life forms to grow which is exactly why I keep chaeto fuges. Definatly not for nutrient reduction, at least they've never done much of that for me. I figure the same life forms can thrive in a cryptic zone. This is a new build and I like to do something different when I start a new system which is why I'm considering the scrubber.
 

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Ya I've been running chaeto fuges in my 3 tanks from the begining. IMO it's useless for anything except providing a place for little life forms to grow which is exactly why I keep chaeto fuges. Definatly not for nutrient reduction, at least they've never done much of that for me. I figure the same life forms can thrive in a cryptic zone. This is a new build and I like to do something different when I start a new system which is why I'm considering the scrubber.
That’s exactly how I ended up here

I use large pieces of live rock, rock rubble and live sand in my sump for pods and worms and sponges. There may be a gorilla crab still alive that was captured and banished to the cryptic prison.

With no light the sump does not grow algae. The scrubber is in here also and grows algae inside it
 

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Sorry to hijack but what do you mean by "cryptic zone"?
It's a low flow area with no light that allows sponges and other non photosynthetic faunas a place to thrive.

An example:

Sorry guys. I had to move all my images out of Photobucket.

Here it is on top, so it can be gravity fed. It has black vinyl on all sides, and a black top. The front panel is removable.

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A good post of info:

From what I've seen cryptic sponges are ubiquitous in marine systems. They are essential recyclers and feed off the labile DOC released into the system by all the organisms, coral and algae and process DOC 1000X faster than bacterioplankton. Unfortunately sponges process DOC from algae differently than from corals and feedback loops that benefit algae to the detriment of corals is a risk. Here's some links:

BActeria and Sponges


Maintenance of Coral Reef Health (refferences at the end)


Element cycling on tropical coral reefs.
This is Jasper de Geoij's ground breaking research on reef sponges. (The introduction is in Dutch but the content is in English.)

Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Differential recycling of coral and algal dissolved organic matter via the sponge loop.
Sponges treat DOC from algae differently than DOC from corals

A Vicious Circle? Altered Carbon and Nutrient Cycling May Explain the Low Resilience of Caribbean Coral Reefs

Surviving in a Marine Desert The Sponge Loop Retains Resources Within Coral Reefs
Dissolved organic carbon and nitrogen are quickly processed by sponges and released back into the reef food web in hours as carbon and nitrogen rich detritus.

Natural Diet of Coral-Excavating Sponges Consists Mainly of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC)

The Role of Marine Sponges in Carbon and Nitrogen Cycles of COral Reefs and Nearshore Environments.
 
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That’s exactly how I ended up here

I use large pieces of live rock, rock rubble and live sand in my sump for pods and worms and sponges. There may be a gorilla crab still alive that was captured and banished to the cryptic prison.

With no light the sump does not grow algae. The scrubber is in here also and grows algae inside it
Going to get started on one soon. I'm thinking sand on bottom with some rubble on top. More rubble in containers and as much rock as I can fit. Sound ok to you? Only reason for rubble in containers is because I like to be able to grab a container full if I need it to seed a new tank and I store my frag plugs on there also.
 

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Going to get started on one soon. I'm thinking sand on bottom with some rubble on top. More rubble in containers and as much rock as I can fit. Sound ok to you? Only reason for rubble in containers is because I like to be able to grab a container full if I need it to seed a new tank and I store my frag plugs on there also.

That’s what I do except for the containers. Sand, some big rocks, rubble, frag plugs from anything that doesnt survive, coral skeletons etc

And my scrubber floats above the rubble and is surrounded by the bigger rocks
 

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The ice caps have terrible light spill

You are basically making my setup. An ats with a cryptic zone.

Here are photos of my cabinet open, with my scrubber on. Zero light spill unless I open the lid.

This is the Santa Monica surf 2. It floats in my middle sump chamber. I have live rock under and beside it packed in along with a 3” sandbed. There is no water pump needed and no risk of leaking or overflowing. It’s silent when you close the lid. There is an air pump but if you buy a decent one they are nearly silent also.

My tank thread has all the info on this setup. I would highly recommend it

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nice! made I man a upflow ATS yeas ago it did a pretty good job.
for some reason I am not a fan of the Santa Monica scrubbers. I know they can work just the form factor I dont like.

but i am a huge fan of ATS and your tank is a great example of that.
 

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nice! made I man a upflow ATS yeas ago it did a pretty good job.
for some reason I am not a fan of the Santa Monica scrubbers. I know they can work just the form factor I dont like.

but i am a huge fan of ATS and your tank is a great example of that.
Thank you!

How can the form factor get better than the surf lol it floats in my sump

Wow maybe I should clean this sump. dang flash now made me aware how dirty it is
 

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Thank you!

How can the form factor get better than the surf lol it floats in my sump

Wow maybe I should clean this sump. dang flash now made me aware how dirty it is
well on the plus side your DT looks very on point. so we can forgive a mess sump. :D

I hear ya. but something about it just does not set well with me. I love the idea and i prob. would use one if SM gave me one. but I dont thing I would buy it. IDK guess I am crazy.
 

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