Be careful growing macroalgae in a nano

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Ornamental macroalgae can be beautiful and very beneficial, but a word of caution: untended macros in a nano aquarium can cause wild nutrient swings or bottomed out your nutrients, completely. And as we all know, zero nutrients is an invitation for dinos. Here's my recent bout with them.

I have a 10 gallon AIO "clown prison" tank that is primarily softies and display macroalgae (pom pom Gracilaria and Codium). The Pom Pom is front and center and grows like crazy. The clowns just eat pellets and poop, so there's usually about 10-20ppm or so of NO3 and 0.1ppm of PO4 in this tank.
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I let my tank maintenance slip a bit. Specifically, I didn't trim the macroalgae.
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For a LONG time. By the time I got around to trimming it, the Pom Pom was already double or more the size of the bush above. It was covering most of the Zoa rock, almost touching the tank glass on either side and traveling up the rock.

After finally trimming it to a smaller bush (tossing a one gallon jug full), dinos appeared:
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I went with my first line of defense: dose Fiji Mud to give the microbiome a boost.
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It did not do the trick. Dinos were still covering the Pom Pom and beginning to cover my branching GSP and waving hand anthelias. Coincidentally, they didn't touch my Tampa Bay Saltwater sand or the Marshall Islands rock. At least not yet. I have a lot of faith in real ocean rocks and sand. Once they began covering the glass and starting to appear on the rock, I knew there was a bigger problem. I tested nitrates and it was flat zero. I immediately trimmed down the Pom Pom to a small shrub, started UV in the back chamber and began feeding heavily in addition to the Eheim autofeeder. The clowns didn't mind.
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After about a week, the tank was looking better, but I am now keeping an eye on things, since dinos can pop up again in no time at all. Will probably dose more mud this week and check NO3 until it's back to normal levels.
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Clearly, letting your macros grow to almost 20% of the tank volume in a nano can cause wild swings in your nutrients. However, chopping out half or more at once likely reduces nutrient consumption too drastically. Perhaps in this case, the sudden availability of more nutrients was like lighter fluid for dinos that were beginning to establish themselves in a nutrient-depleted system. Going forward, I will be pruning the macroalgae in my nano more regularly... at least until my maintenance slips again.
 
Thank you @jojo for sharing your experience. I had a similar experience but by chance caught it prior to it potentially generating dinos.

My macroalgae/softie/LPS tank is significantly bigger (56 gallon column) that I try to keep heavily stocked with fish that get heavy feedings. I had lost a few fish the past 2 years and hold off replenishing until I can add in multiples (to reduce aggression from the long time resident fish. If nothing else it helps spread out the bullying). Anyway, a reef keeper asked me what my nitrates and phosphates were. They are usually high by most folks standards with NO3 being 30 ppm and PO4 being .5 ppm. However, it had been 6 months since I did a test and I decided to give an exact test reading. Imagine my shock when my nitrates were undetectable! That had never happened to me in the 25 years of reef keeping. I immediately started dosing B-ionic nitrate and increasing food to the tank. I had been wanting to add fish so went to the lfs and bought 5 more fish, although ended up removing my tomini tang right after for relentless bullying. Anyway the last test I did half a week ago the nitrates were up to 5-10 ppm. I am watching them more closely now.
One thing that gives my tank some added stability is my display has a 30 gallon sump that is full of macroalgae that I never prune. So even if I go wild with pruning the display tank (and I do) the sump is there to even out nutrient swings. I have noticed a few threads of gha however.
Here is a pic from yesterday.
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PS Your tank is beautiful by the way and I love how lush and full of life it is!
 
Ornamental macroalgae can be beautiful and very beneficial, but a word of caution: untended macros in a nano aquarium can cause wild nutrient swings or bottomed out your nutrients, completely. And as we all know, zero nutrients is an invitation for dinos. Here's my recent bout with them.

I have a 10 gallon AIO "clown prison" tank that is primarily softies and display macroalgae (pom pom Gracilaria and Codium). The Pom Pom is front and center and grows like crazy. The clowns just eat pellets and poop, so there's usually about 10-20ppm or so of NO3 and 0.1ppm of PO4 in this tank.
1731402720691.jpeg



I let my tank maintenance slip a bit. Specifically, I didn't trim the macroalgae.
1731402780461.jpeg

For a LONG time. By the time I got around to trimming it, the Pom Pom was already double or more the size of the bush above. It was covering most of the Zoa rock, almost touching the tank glass on either side and traveling up the rock.

After finally trimming it to a smaller bush (tossing a one gallon jug full), dinos appeared:
1731402844810.jpeg


I went with my first line of defense: dose Fiji Mud to give the microbiome a boost.
1731402821567.jpeg


It did not do the trick. Dinos were still covering the Pom Pom and beginning to cover my branching GSP and waving hand anthelias. Coincidentally, they didn't touch my Tampa Bay Saltwater sand or the Marshall Islands rock. At least not yet. I have a lot of faith in real ocean rocks and sand. Once they began covering the glass and starting to appear on the rock, I knew there was a bigger problem. I tested nitrates and it was flat zero. I immediately trimmed down the Pom Pom to a small shrub, started UV in the back chamber and began feeding heavily in addition to the Eheim autofeeder. The clowns didn't mind.
1731402878642.jpeg


After about a week, the tank was looking better, but I am now keeping an eye on things, since dinos can pop up again in no time at all. Will probably dose more mud this week and check NO3 until it's back to normal levels.
1731402947974.jpeg


Clearly, letting your macros grow to almost 20% of the tank volume in a nano can cause wild swings in your nutrients. However, chopping out half or more at once likely reduces nutrient consumption too drastically. Perhaps in this case, the sudden availability of more nutrients was like lighter fluid for dinos that were beginning to establish themselves in a nutrient-depleted system. Going forward, I will be pruning the macroalgae in my nano more regularly... at least until my maintenance slips again.
I had the exact same thing! Algae and corals bottomed out everything!!! Started feeding fish more/changed smaller fish to bigger fish*shrimp with more appetite (clow goby and tailspot to bicolor and cleaner shrimp), started dosing nitrates and phosphates and voilà - no dinos! Only a bit of cyano... But at least my macroalgae and xenia stopped dying/looking sad
 
Thank you @jojo for sharing your experience. I had a similar experience but by chance caught it prior to it potentially generating dinos.

My macroalgae/softie/LPS tank is significantly bigger (56 gallon column) that I try to keep heavily stocked with fish that get heavy feedings. I had lost a few fish the past 2 years and hold off replenishing until I can add in multiples (to reduce aggression from the long time resident fish. If nothing else it helps spread out the bullying). Anyway, a reef keeper asked me what my nitrates and phosphates were. They are usually high by most folks standards with NO3 being 30 ppm and PO4 being .5 ppm. However, it had been 6 months since I did a test and I decided to give an exact test reading. Imagine my shock when my nitrates were undetectable! That had never happened to me in the 25 years of reef keeping. I immediately started dosing B-ionic nitrate and increasing food to the tank. I had been wanting to add fish so went to the lfs and bought 5 more fish, although ended up removing my tomini tang right after for relentless bullying. Anyway the last test I did half a week ago the nitrates were up to 5-10 ppm. I am watching them more closely now.
One thing that gives my tank some added stability is my display has a 30 gallon sump that is full of macroalgae that I never prune. So even if I go wild with pruning the display tank (and I do) the sump is there to even out nutrient swings. I have noticed a few threads of gha however.
Here is a pic from yesterday.
20241111_131001.jpg
20241111_130950.jpg
20241111_130931.jpg
PS Your tank is beautiful by the way and I love how lush and full of life it is!
Love your tank, i was reading about it when starting/rescaping mine) Also cool bicolor blenner and watchman, my favourite fish!

Here's my blenby and goby
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Love your tank, i was reading about it when starting/rescaping mine) Also cool bicolor blenner and watchman, my favourite fish!

Here's my blenby and goby
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Aw, they are adorable! Blennies and gobies are under-appreciated. Big personalities packed in pint size bodies!
 
I have a Fluval 13.5 macro tank. I dose Neonitro, neophos and chaetogro weekly to keep my nutrients and trace elements from bottoming out. This tank is in my garage so it's not always clean looking but thought I'd share some photos anyway.

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Oh, nice selection! And you have orange galaxy! Mine is mostly dead--just a nub of stem left :-(
 
Aw, they are adorable! Blennies and gobies are under-appreciated. Big personalities packed in pint size bodies!
I could really careless for blennys.
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