Could dinos go away on its own eventually?

[jayteerq]

Could Dino’s go away on their own eventually??

Backstory - Had a 8 month old 65g and upgraded to 130g. Transferred everything. Used old sand but also added 80lb of new sand. Used old rock and added 2 new pieces of Marco rock. Added a lot of Live Bacteria to try and avoid a cycle/bloom. 3 weeks later today, Nitrates and Phosphates keep trying to bottom out. Sand + new Marco rocks is getting brown and stringy throughout the day. Could it just be a mini cycle/bloom? No deaths with fish or coral.

I have a 25watt UV sterilizer running. I’m feeding heavy dosing nitrates and phosphates to try and elevate levels. I’m also dosing Live Phyto daily. I’m starting to worry because it looks like it’s just getting worst but it’s only been about 2 weeks since the Dino’s so maybe it has to get bad before it gets better? Anyone have any advice? MB7 didn’t seem to work for me. Planning to turn refugium light and skimmer off for now as I’m having trouble raising my nitrates. It currently sits at 2. Would like it at 10-15. The entire sandbed is brown lately. Any advice is much appreciated.

 

[tripdad]

You have to find a way to outcompete them with good bacteria. I used zeobac from KZ and added silicates to induce a cyano bloom. Once the cyano beat down the dinos I kept up the zeobac and let the green algaes grow. Then after cyano was gone the clean up crew cleaned up the algae. If you can afford it add some live seed rock from Marco/TBS/ KP Aquatics. A small amount is all you need.

 

[jayteerq]

You have to find a way to outcompete them with good bacteria. I used zeobac from KZ and added silicates to induce a cyano bloom. Once the cyano beat down the dinos I kept up the zeobac and let the green algaes grow. Then after cyano was gone the clean up crew cleaned up the algae. If you can afford it add some live seed rock from Marco/TBS/ KP Aquatics. A small amount is all you need.

That sounds like a process!! Lol I have heard of having to dose silicates to introduce diatoms which would beat the Dino’s but I hear that’s a lengthy process too. Think I might have no choice but to get on that procedure though

 

[BasementBox]

That sounds like a process!! Lol I have heard of having to dose silicates to introduce diatoms which would beat the Dino’s but I hear that’s a lengthy process too. Think I might have no choice but to get on that procedure though

I’m just coming out of it myself. It does take a lot… but it does pay off.

 

[jayteerq]

I’m just coming out of it myself. It does take a lot… but it does pay off.

What’d you do? Dose silicates? I’m wondering if my new sand has silicates and it’s just diatom bloom. I haven’t confirmed it’s actually Dino’s but it’s brown stringy with bubbles

 

[haihn1199]

Combat with dino 2 times, both resolved by blackout or reduce light intensity together with keep nutrition on check.

 

[jayteerq]

Combat with dino 2 times, both resolved by blackout or reduce light intensity together with keep nutrition on check.

How long did it take to clear? How long was the blackout or reducing of light? If reduce, how much?

 

[blecki]

The secret to dinos is pods. Lots and lots of pods. You can kill them off but without microfauna to eat them they just come back.

Do they seem to clear up a bit over night? If so you've got the kind that swim around at night, and a UV sterilizer may help. If not, your UV sterilizer isn't doing anything except possibly killing off the things that might compete with them (oof)

 

[gbroadbridge]

Could Dino’s go away on their own eventually??

Backstory - Had a 8 month old 65g and upgraded to 130g. Transferred everything. Used old sand but also added 80lb of new sand. Used old rock and added 2 new pieces of Marco rock. Added a lot of Live Bacteria to try and avoid a cycle/bloom. 3 weeks later today, Nitrates and Phosphates keep trying to bottom out. Sand + new Marco rocks is getting brown and stringy throughout the day. Could it just be a mini cycle/bloom? No deaths with fish or coral.

I have a 25watt UV sterilizer running. I’m feeding heavy dosing nitrates and phosphates to try and elevate levels. I’m also dosing Live Phyto daily. I’m starting to worry because it looks like it’s just getting worst but it’s only been about 2 weeks since the Dino’s so maybe it has to get bad before it gets better? Anyone have any advice? MB7 didn’t seem to work for me. Planning to turn refugium light and skimmer off for now as I’m having trouble raising my nitrates. It currently sits at 2. Would like it at 10-15. The entire sandbed is brown lately. Any advice is much appreciated.

Thing to keep in mind is that Dinos exist in every tank, and normally are kept in check by other organisms.

When things get off kilter, Dinos multiply and take over in the same way that algae blooms happen in the ocean and rivers when there are excess nutrients.

Eventually the tank biome will stabilise and they will die back, just it takes a long time to happen naturally.

So folks try to push it with bacteria and carbon dosing etc.

It's really a matter of luck if just the right stuff grows to outcompete the Dinos even when using magic potion in a bottle.

Shown to work is UV if you can expose sufficient water to a high enough level for a long enough time, and if the particular species goes for a swim each night. A 25W UV on a 120 gal tank is going to make no difference, you need heaps more than that - probably closer to 80W to make any real difference.

Keep your N and P up, and it will eventually subside. Adding more organisms like coral and stuff will also speed it up.

 

[BasementBox]

What’d you do? Dose silicates? I’m wondering if my new sand has silicates and it’s just diatom bloom. I haven’t confirmed it’s actually Dino’s but it’s brown stringy with bubbles

Follow this link.

My process is under novadreams22

Good luck!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReefTank/s/bdU62ref62

 

[jayteerq]

Follow this link.

My process is under novadreams22

Good luck!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReefTank/s/bdU62ref62

Wow that’s a groceries list! lol did you use this method? How long until you beat it? Also did you dose silicate? What’d you use to measure it to ensure 2-4ppm?

 

[Mwatts12]

Leave the tank alone. There is a thread on here with like 10,000 posts regarding Dino’s. Just let time cure it. No water changes or dosing anything at all.

Make sure no3/po4 is detectable

 

[jayteerq]

Leave the tank alone. There is a thread on here with like 10,000 posts regarding Dino’s. Just let time cure it. No water changes or dosing anything at all.

Make sure no3/po4 is detectable

I like that. That’s my plan lol

 

[BasementBox]

Wow that’s a groceries list! lol did you use this method? How long until you beat it? Also did you dose silicate? What’d you use to measure it to ensure 2-4ppm?

Yes. I saw a pretty quick turn around. About a week. Yes. I continue to dose silicates. Measured based on tank daily use from Mack’s Dino group on Facebook. I’d be lying if I said that it’s squeaky clean. There are spots that it still is visible but it’s clear that the micro biome has come back. I also went to my lfs and threw in a hunk of live rock that was buried at the bottom of their tank.

 

[BasementBox]

I like that. That’s my plan lol

There is little data showing that no water changes actually work. While if reef salt has something specific. Ie. Lipids, amino acids, it should be avoided but regular reef salt wc are fine. Yes. You could ride it out. But you can also put the petal to the metal and hurry it along.

 

[Mwatts12]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellates-–-are-you-tired-of-battling-altogether.293318/

Well here’s a link of data over 8 years showing nothing really works at all for it…..

 

[jayteerq]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellates-–-are-you-tired-of-battling-altogether.293318/

Well here’s a link of data over 8 years showing nothing really works at all for it…..

Isn’t that lovely

 

[Mwatts12]

There is little data showing that no water changes actually work. While if reef salt has something specific. Ie. Lipids, amino acids, it should be avoided but regular reef salt wc are fine. Yes. You could ride it out. But you can also put the petal to the metal and hurry it along.

The no water changes is to not strip nitrates. They are currently sitting at 2.

 

[BryanM]

The secret to dinos is pods. Lots and lots of pods. You can kill them off but without microfauna to eat them they just come back.

Do they seem to clear up a bit over night? If so you've got the kind that swim around at night, and a UV sterilizer may help. If not, your UV sterilizer isn't doing anything except possibly killing off the things that might compete with them (oof)

I believe this advice is very sound, and I just purchased a ton of pods and phyto.

 

[tripdad]

Well here’s a link of data over 8 years showing nothing really works at all for it…..

If this were true this website would be called Dinos 2 Dinos. Just keep plugging, you will win the battle.