Disease? Is my clownfish being bullied?

[katsreef]

I got two clownfish on Sunday and today I see a white mark on the fin of one of them. It isn’t a dot so is this from scraping on a rock? Also is the bigger one bullying the small one? I am worried

is this normal for clownfish trying to pair?
he is excited to eat and eats lots

 

[katsreef]

Here is another video. Is this normal i feel like he is breathing faster than the other one but then he gets excited to eat and eats fine

 

[vetteguy53081]

Here is another video. Is this normal i feel like he is breathing faster than the other one but then he gets excited to eat and eats fine

I could be wrong but smaller clown seems to have a couple of old bite marks (rings) by dorsal and head but could be wrong. Do they seem to squabble as to who's going to lay within the coral ?

 

[Sharkbait19]

The caudal fin does look torn up, and the fish looks a little thin. Hard to see any mucus on a white clown though.
The fish looks lethargic in the video - is it always like this?

 

[katsreef]

I could be wrong but smaller clown seems to have a couple of old bite marks (rings) by dorsal and head but could be wrong. Do they seem to squabble as to who's going to lay within the coral ?

I see the spot you are talking about so I’ll look at some videos to see if it’s been there since the beginning. I’ve never seen them fight and I watch them all day. The worst I have seen is just the nudging in these videos. They have been staying together these last few days

edit: the bite marks appear to be new because I don’t see them in the pics and videos before + i dont remember them

 

[katsreef]

The caudal fin does look torn up, and the fish looks a little thin. Hard to see any mucus on a white clown though.
The fish looks lethargic in the video - is it always like this?

That fin was torn up when I got him. He has been eating very well the time he has been with me. He is being lazier than usual which is why I am worried

 

[Sharkbait19]

Is there any hazy, cloudy appearance to the fish?

 

[katsreef]

Is there any hazy, cloudy appearance to the fish?

No it doesn’t look like it. The texture looks the same as the other one. Just bite marks I guess

 

[vetteguy53081]

No it doesn’t look like it. The texture looks the same as the other one. Just bite marks I guess

this is not even close to Brook. The fishs' appearance and fill looks good. Im leaning towards intimidation. One thing you can do to assure no aggression is in play, set your cell phone on video mode for about 40 mins and drop a little food and walk away - YOU MUST walk away as they know youre there. Often the aggressor is a jerk at feeding time.
Review the video and see who it may be

 

[katsreef]

Could those marks also be from coral stings? He just started to spend time in this one a few days ago. Also

this is not even close to Brook. The fishs' appearance and fill looks good. Im leaning towards intimidation. One thing you can do to assure no aggression is in play, set your cell phone on video mode for about 40 mins and drop a little food and walk away - YOU MUST walk away as they know youre there. Often the aggressor is a jerk at feeding time.
Review the video and see who it may be

okay I just fed them so I’ll do it tonight. Could the marks also be from coral stings? He just started to spend time in this coral. Since these are new clownfish could this just be them fighting to determine who is who and then be okay or do I intervene somehow? The only other fish in my tank is a ywg who stays away from everyone so it has to be the other clown.
These clownfish spend all day together so would the one get bullied to death?

 

[Sharkbait19]

Coral stings will show up as black spots - aggression is common when clowns are pairing and is the most likely cause.

 

[katsreef]

Coral stings will show up as black spots - aggression is common when clowns are pairing and is the most likely cause.

I think the one on his head his a sting and the dorsal fin is a bite then. They just recently started spending all day together so I just hope the asserting dominance doesn’t kill the tiny one

 

[vetteguy53081]

Could those marks also be from coral stings? He just started to spend time in this one a few days ago. Also

okay I just fed them so I’ll do it tonight. Could the marks also be from coral stings? He just started to spend time in this coral. Since these are new clownfish could this just be them fighting to determine who is who and then be okay or do I intervene somehow? The only other fish in my tank is a ywg who stays away from everyone so it has to be the other clown.
These clownfish spend all day together so would the one get bullied to death?

Coral stings are general black polka dot look

 

[vetteguy53081]

I think the one on his head his a sting and the dorsal fin is a bite then. They just recently started spending all day together so I just hope the asserting dominance doesn’t kill the tiny one

These are not stings. Known as hyper-melanization stings have this appearance.

 

[katsreef]

These are not stings. Known as hyper-melanization stings have this appearance.

Thank you for the info. Yeah they must both be bites then. So at this point do I let nature run its course because they hangout all day together peacefully and are starting to pair? At what point do I intervene?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thank you for the info. Yeah they must both be bites then. So at this point do I let nature run its course because they hangout all day together peacefully and are starting to pair? At what point do I intervene?

Isolation from the aggressor, the larger being the female in an isolation box for 10-14 days if damage continues or progresses

 

[katsreef]

Isolation from the aggressor, the larger being the female in an isolation box for 10-14 days if damage continues or progresses

I never see them fight so maybe I’ll separate tomorrow if the little one is sluggish still. Can it just be a breeder box in the main tank?

 

[Sharkbait19]

I never see them fight so maybe I’ll separate tomorrow if the little one is sluggish still. Can it just be a breeder box in the main tank?

That’s what I used when my female was having problems with her first mate.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I never see them fight so maybe I’ll separate tomorrow if the little one is sluggish still. Can it just be a breeder box in the main tank?

Breeder box acceptable as long as it offers circulation/oxygen delivery

 

[MnFish1]

Were the clowns a pair when you bought them? If not - one is going to get biullied - whether you acclimate them or not IMHO - I would just let them work it out - waiting in case there is a clear infection or damage