Extreme Water Clarity and Cyano Eradication, Made Easy!

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Hi, I'm using that brand, 115 grams in 230ml osmosis water and I dose 5ml every evening, mixing as needed with ZeoBak
How big is your tank? :) I will not be using the zeobak, just the calcium for me..

Thanks for the mixing advice though!!
 

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Quanto è grande il tuo acquario? :) Non userò lo zeobak, solo il calcio per me..

Grazie comunque per il consiglio sul mix!!
 
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@SunnyX I have a Redsea reefmat but I don’t have a skimmer or anything else. i do have a UV sterilizer but that’s not helpful for this situation, correct?


Hello,

That could work as the mat will bind up the free floating particles that have attached to the snow. However, it may quickly clog up your rollers. With normal use, I can get three days out of a filter sock. Using snow, the filter sock will barely last a day.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

-Sonny
 

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Hello,

That could work as the mat will bind up the free floating particles that have attached to the snow. However, it may quickly clog up your rollers. With normal use, I can get three days out of a filter sock. Using know, the filter sock will barely last a day.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

-Sonny
Thanks Sonny!
 

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Edit 10/092023:

Note that I have tweaked the formula a bit. You can find an updated video here:




Coral Snow Link: Coral Snow

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Now, enough yammering. Onto the article!


Extreme Water Clarity and Cyano Eradication, Made Easy!

One of the most frequent questions I receive is how do I have such amazing water clarity and an overall clean looking setup. Well, it quite simple and you can easily do the same while also helping rid yourself of cyano or and the very least not allowing it to gain a foothold in your system. While this is not a cure-all, it will help you achieve your goals and help maintain a healthy aquarium.


For a number of years I had purchased branded products of Coral Snow to help achieve water clarity. That is, until I asked around and found that you can simply make you own Coral Snow solution, saving you hundreds of dollars.

What is Coral Snow?

At its simplest, Coral Snow is a Flocculant.

Flocculant’s work by binding small particles together into a larger mass that can be easily removed via filter socks or a proteins skimmer. The Coral Snow can also help to removal yellowing compounds such as phenols while at the same time helping neutralizes some undesirable chemicals in the system.

Personally, I use this powder Coral Snow and one jar should last you years. Creating the solution couldn't be any simpler.

  • Select a clean container, one that is resealable and able to be shaken. I use an old creatine bottle.(Yes, I am on the GAIN TRAIN)
  • For 500ML of solution, add 10 level tablespoons of powder to roughly 425-450ML of RO/DI water.
  • Shake the bottle up, and let it sit for two hours. After which, it will be ready to use.
  • Now, I don’t believe that you can overdose with this product, but a good recommended dose is 5ml per 50gl of aquarium volume.
  • Be sure to shake up the bottle prior to each use as the powder can settle.
The best time to add the solution to you aquarium is after conducting maintenance such as blowing off the rocks, cleaning the glass, siphoning the sand or conducting a water change. Ideally, you should be doing all of the aforementioned maintenance items during a water change, but that discussion is for another time.

Now, on to my personal favorite use of the product: preventing and getting rid of Cyano!

Cyano Solution

Cyano, in all its forms, has been the bane of many a reefers existence. Nothing can upset or ruin the appearance of an aquarium display like that nasty, slimy cyano! The algae is present in all systems, and dates back to the dawn of planet but you can keep it from taking over your aquarium and causing you heartache.

Ideally, you want to be taking preventative measures to ensure that cyano does not gain any real estate in your reef. Prevention is always easier than treatment, but if you can always treat it too.

To amplify the Coral Snow, you will need a bacterial solution. Most will do, but I like Microbacter7 by Brightwell Aquatics. What we are doing here is mixing the bacteria with the Coral Snow, allowing it to bond and adhere to the surface of sand and rock. Basically, we’re trying to eliminate land for the cyano to stake its claim. While most of the Coral Snow will be removed via filtration, there will be a bit that coats you aquariums surfaces, in this case with bacteria that will out compete algae.

The Mix

Take your measured solution of Coral Snow and add it to a small container.

  • A plastic or glass cup will suffice.
  • Next, add 10 drops of Microbacter7 per 5ML of Coral Snow.
  • Allow 5 minutes for the solution to sit and then dose into your aquarium.
Note that Coral Snow will cloud your aquarium for at least two hours. Filter socks and Protein Skimmer(s) should be left on.

Application

I use a DIY mixture of Calcium Carbonate to clarify the water. The solution acts as a flocculant, helping to export tiny free floating matter.

Now, you could just stop right there, and use this solution simply for water clarity, but, you would be missing out on some of the greatest benefits that the complete formula has to offer.

Combining the Coral Snow with bacteria has an outsized effect on undesirable things such as Cyano slime.

  • To get the full effect, you’re going to want to take a turkey baster and manually remove or blow off all cyano and other desirable organisms off of the rockwork and sand.

  • If you’re able to, run some filter socks in the sump to help capture any large free floating waste.

Now, your going to want to add the Coral Snow solution in a cup and then add the bacteria. You can go a little on the bacteria, slightly more than the manufacturers recommendation.

  • Allow the solution to sit for five minutes and then administer it to the aquarium.

  • For the full effect, I will turn off the main system pump and allow the solution to have time to coat the surfaces of the aquarium. Generally, I will let process play out for an hour before turning on my main pump and filtration.

  • After the hour is up, the main pump is turned on, filter socks setup, and skimmer turned on. The skimmer is going to play a key roll here in helping to remove the particles that have bonded to the coral snow.

Enhancing Coral Snow to Feed Corals

After some weeks, and the system is clean and clear you can then move on to some more advanced methods and mixtures.

I like to add bacteria, Zeofood, and Selcon to my mix.

The Coral Snow will help to distribute the nutrition directly to the corals. When dosed correctly, you should see a feeding response from corals, especially SPS who will extend feeding tentacles.

Now, not all corals will immediately go into feeding mode during the day. It will take some time but eventually they will be conditioned to do so. All things considered, the feeding mix has done very to aid with growth of corals in my system.

Final Thoughts

Hopefully, you find this Coral Snow solution to be advantageous. I have used it for years with great results. My aquariums are devoid of cyano and nuisance algae. The fish look like their floating in mid air and the true colors of the corals are allowed to shine through.

I dose once a week but there is no issue dosing it daily if you are dealing with a particularly bad breakout of cyano. For best results, siphon out as much cyano as possible before dosing Coral Snow.

Good luck and if you need any additional help please feel free to reach out.

Sonny [email protected]






Curious - seems like you could market this?
 
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Curious - seems like you could market this?

Hello,

Not really any money in it if you can get it a year supply for $9 off Amazon. By the time you factor in shipping, labor and packaging you’d make pennies on the dollar.
 

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Hello,

Not really any money in it if you can get it a year supply for $9 off Amazon. By the time you factor in shipping, labor and packaging you’d make pennies on the dollar.
Well - I meant as a usual marketer of fish chemicals/equipment. In which chemicals sold for pennies are sold for $$.
 
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Well - I meant as a usual marketer of fish chemicals/equipment. In which chemicals sold for pennies are sold for $$.
There are a number of commercially available products out there, but I don’t see how anyone can compete with the DIY version when it comes to cost per use.
 

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There are a number of commercially available products out there, but I don’t see how anyone can compete with the DIY version when it comes to cost per use.
In any case I would think about it. Because - in that case there's no reason for a DIY version? What am I missing>
 

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In any case I would think about it. Because - in that case there's no reason for a DIY version? What am I missing>
I'm sure people could get in trouble for purchasing Sun Foods Calcium Carbonate, repackaging it as SunnyX Water Clarifier, and selling it for a profit.

If a person were to go out and mine Calcium Carbonate it would be one thing.
 

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I made a couple edits after some suggestions and feedback.

For those who have reached out, you do not need to use the bacterial mix if you’re simply looking for water clarity. The bacterial mix is to help combat cyano.


-Sonny
Hello Sunny,

The concentration of both formulas are extremely different. The formula originally written gives us 0.33 tsp on the 5mL (to treat 50 gal). The video, using the Tsp, gives us a concentration of 0.02 tsp of calcium carbonate in the 8oz, to treat the same 50 gal. What made you tweak the formula to aggressively? How long have you been using the original formulas before the tweak, and what is the difference that it made?
 

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In another topic I wrote about an overdose of calcium carbonate and the export of large amounts of phosphates, and now I have noticed a large decrease in magnesium (from 1300 to 1200). I read that magnesium tests are unreliable, but it always showed 1300. Can the decrease in magnesium also be caused by an overdose of calcium carbonate?
 
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Hello Sunny,

The concentration of both formulas are extremely different. The formula originally written gives us 0.33 tsp on the 5mL (to treat 50 gal). The video, using the Tsp, gives us a concentration of 0.02 tsp of calcium carbonate in the 8oz, to treat the same 50 gal. What made you tweak the formula to aggressively? How long have you been using the original formulas before the tweak, and what is the difference that it made?

Hello,

I have made some tweaks to the formula based on observations and feedback from other users. These days, I recommend 0.5-1 teaspoon of calcium carbonate per 50Gl of real water volume in the system.

The formula and dosage can be tweaked based on what is currently happening in the system. If you're just starting out with it or fighting a bad case of cyano/Dino's then I would lean on the heavier side of dosing. Once everything is cleared up, the maintenance dose should be closer to 0.5 teaspoons per 50GL.

Users are free to experiment with their own dosages and additives to the cocktail.

In another topic I wrote about an overdose of calcium carbonate and the export of large amounts of phosphates, and now I have noticed a large decrease in magnesium (from 1300 to 1200). I read that magnesium tests are unreliable, but it always showed 1300. Can the decrease in magnesium also be caused by an overdose of calcium carbonate?

Hello,

You would need to ask someone with more knowledge on the science concerning the MG factor. Personally, outside of ALK, PH and temperature, I do not track other parameters.

-Sonny
 

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I'm sure people could get in trouble for purchasing Sun Foods Calcium Carbonate, repackaging it as SunnyX Water Clarifier, and selling it for a profit.

If a person were to go out and mine Calcium Carbonate it would be one thing.

Assuming one did not buy it in a fashion that required agreement about what would be done with it (as is often the case with chemicals from a chemical supplier) how could one get in trouble for that?
 

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In another topic I wrote about an overdose of calcium carbonate and the export of large amounts of phosphates, and now I have noticed a large decrease in magnesium (from 1300 to 1200). I read that magnesium tests are unreliable, but it always showed 1300. Can the decrease in magnesium also be caused by an overdose of calcium carbonate?

No.

Many things will bind to the surface of bare calcium carbonate, including alkalinity (carbonate) calcium, magnesium, organics, phosphate, and trace elements, but there's no possibility that 100 ppm of magnesium can be bound without much larger amounts of alkalinity and calcium also being bound and accreting a new layer of calcium carbonate.
 

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Believe it or not, I have never had much luck growing coraline and am thankful for that fact. Some have it go so thick that they have to constantly change metal blades on their scrappers to keep things clean.

As you can see below, coralline does not like...

Believe it or not, I have never had much luck growing coraline and am thankful for that fact. Some have it go so thick that they have to constantly change metal blades on their scrappers to keep things clean.

As you can see below, coralline does not like my setup yet corals grow like mad.


Any ideas on why you don't have coralline? I have one of those tanks with a crazy amount of coralline and I almost fell like starting over and rerolling the dice.
 

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Sorry if this was asked before, but Isn’t Calcium carbonate what we use for Kalkwasser? This is just dosed more heavily?
 

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Sorry if this was asked before, but Isn’t Calcium carbonate what we use for Kalkwasser? This is just dosed more heavily?
Kalkwasser is calcium hydroxide.

This is Calcium carbonate, which is not soluble and won’t raise alk/Ca in normal conditions. It’s basically like adding powdered sand to a tank.
 

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Kalkwasser is calcium hydroxide.

This is Calcium carbonate, which is not soluble and won’t raise alk/Ca in normal conditions. It’s basically like adding powdered sand to a tank.
It can, however, lower alkalinity by causing some to precipitate out of solution. I see this in my aquarium on occasion.
 

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