Firefish red vs purple vs exquisite vs helfrichi

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I like all of them. Currently have a red one on my 250 gallon, I'm considering adding a Decora or a Helfrichi, but not sure if they will still fight in a tank of that size.
I find them to group together easily and not show a lot of aggression towards similar individuals. Have three different species in my 80 gallon and they really don’t ever see each other. They live in different parts of the aquarium. Even come out at different times of day. It’s kind of weird now that I think about it. It’s like they’re on their own little schedules.
 
I find them to group together easily and not show a lot of aggression towards similar individuals. Have three different species in my 80 gallon and they really don’t ever see each other. They live in different parts of the aquarium. Even come out at different times of day. It’s kind of weird now that I think about it. It’s like they’re on their own little schedules.

How long did you have them? I read that they tolerate each other as juveniles but not as adults.
 
I have two reds together in my 100g and they are always together
 
I have a helfrichi but it's pretty small and timid. I heard multiple fire fish in a tank does not end well. Has anyone had experience with a mated pair or maybe trio? If so can you mix & match the colors?

eg: x1 helfrichi / x1 red / x1 purple.
 
I have a helfrichi but it's pretty small and timid. I heard multiple fire fish in a tank does not end well. Has anyone had experience with a mated pair or maybe trio? If so can you mix & match the colors?

eg: x1 helfrichi / x1 red / x1 purple.
I have only tried mixing them 1 time and the purple became a huge bully. I could not catch him for the life of me and the one remaining red basically jumped into the net to get away. I originally tried to have 5 reds and the dominant "pair" chased the others out basically. Pretty much the only ones that will exist in more than a pair are scissortails and zebras. I do like the scissortails they are not as flashy but to see a group of them interacting is very cool. I will be trying a group of 8 to 10 when I set up my 180. I tried to get 6 in my current tank but they did not come in very healthy lost 2 in qt and 2 to the tang chasing them into the overflow or onto the overflow cover. I have since made a different overflow cover so if something jumps it will easily flop back into the tank. I have not tried to add any more since. I am far from an expert, but I have had many pairs of reds, a pair of helfrichi, some zebras (I dont like how they look when adults) and more recently the scissortails. Most will pair up pretty easy I have not tried it with the purples (I like the reds better), the one purple was a gift from my employees for my office tank until HR came in and told me to take it down which is why he went into my home tank and the resulting story above.
 
Can you have all the varieties in the same tank?
 
We bought two regular firefish from the same tank at an LFS , both about the same size . They were always together and even slept together in a small cave . One grew faster than the other and after 4 or 5 months the larger one started picking on the other . We ended up putting the smaller one in a different tank to save it's life.
 
I believe dartfish/firefish are protogynous hermaphrodites, I am not 100% sure and I dont think most fields of study know for sure either. This info may or may not be known now I am uncertain and have not done any research in years on them. From past experiences with them though getting them young enough usually produces a pair. In this hobby young is a relative term, we have no idea the age of the fish when we get it especially since these are wild caught, but smaller the better. I find it strange that I would just get "lucky" 5 or 6 times. The only thing I noticed in these fish that was different was in each "pair" one was slightly larger when fully grown, very hard to tell even when side by side. I have noticed this in the 2 scissortails I have currently, given the group dynamic of the scissortails I would guess they form harams typically instead of pairs though. Cant be sure as getting a group has been challenging but when I had more than 2 they would all consistently swim together and take turns passing each other and rubbing on the others as they passed by. This didnt seem aggressive in the least more of a "hey buddy" type thing and all would stay in the same cave at night.

When I got my Helfrichi I went to get a pair one of my lfs had told me they got in, by the time I went to get them about 3 days after they had called me one of the 2 they got had jumped out of the tank somehow. I purchased the 1 and took it home. About a week later I was out touring the various lfs around the "state" and found another Helfrichi at an lfs I didnt go to very often. It was roughly the same size as the other, I would approximate them both at about half adult size. I had them for 2-3 years until I sold everything off and got out of the hobby. The entire time from first meeting until the end they did everything together and I believe they spawned a few times. The spawning was not verifiable as they are pelagic spawners and nothing would survive with most reef tank filtration and predation. There were definitely rituals observed that would typically lead to changes in the attitude of denizens of the tank, corals extending polyps at strange times and most other fish and inverts being very active typically just after main lights out under "moon" light only.
 
I believe dartfish/firefish are protogynous hermaphrodites, I am not 100% sure and I dont think most fields of study know for sure either. This info may or may not be known now I am uncertain and have not done any research in years on them.
Pretty sure this is incorrect, all the firefish breeders that I have talked to or seen talk about this consider Nemateleotris to be gonochorists. Breeders frequently talk about the difficulties in pairing because they are not known to swap sexes and are monogamists.

I find it strange that I would just get "lucky" 5 or 6 times. The only thing I noticed in these fish that was different was in each "pair" one was slightly larger when fully grown, very hard to tell even when side by side. I have noticed this in the 2 scissortails I have currently, given the group dynamic of the scissortails I would guess they form harams typically instead of pairs though. Cant be sure as getting a group has been challenging but when I had more than 2 they would all consistently swim together and take turns passing each other and rubbing on the others as they passed by. This didnt seem aggressive in the least more of a "hey buddy" type thing and all would stay in the same cave at night.
Sissortail dartfish exhibit very different social and reproductive dynamics than Nemateleotris and are not a good reference example for comparison and inferences on firefish.

The entire time from first meeting until the end they did everything together and I believe they spawned a few times. The spawning was not verifiable as they are pelagic spawners and nothing would survive with most reef tank filtration and predation. There were definitely rituals observed that would typically lead to changes in the attitude of denizens of the tank, corals extending polyps at strange times and most other fish and inverts being very active typically just after main lights out under "moon" light only.
Firefish are demersal spawners who lay their eggs in caves and guard the eggs untill hatch, Spawning is easier to check as they will have an egg bundle that one is guarding. They are not pelagic spawners but the larvae has a pelagic phase.



https://www.risingtideconservation....ire-goby-nemeteleotris-magnifica-aquaculture/
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.aquaculture.2013.12.027
 
I agree with @PleaseThink, I've had multiple 'pairs' of Firefish over the years and they always get along and even look like a couple for a long time but once they transition to adult, which in most cases seems to take around two years from the average size at retail sale, if they are not a true pair, the larger will kill its 'mate'. The juveniles and even the sub-adults are fine together and even seem to want to be together but when nature calls. Whether this applies only to two males or also to two females I have no idea.
 
Pretty sure this is incorrect, all the firefish breeders that I have talked to or seen talk about this consider Nemateleotris to be gonochorists. Breeders frequently talk about the difficulties in pairing because they are not known to swap sexes and are monogamists.


Sissortail dartfish exhibit very different social and reproductive dynamics than Nemateleotris and are not a good reference example for comparison and inferences on firefish.


Firefish are demersal spawners who lay their eggs in caves and guard the eggs untill hatch, Spawning is easier to check as they will have an egg bundle that one is guarding. They are not pelagic spawners but the larvae has a pelagic phase.



https://www.risingtideconservation....ire-goby-nemeteleotris-magnifica-aquaculture/
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.aquaculture.2013.12.027
Like I said I was unsure and info may have changed since last I researched which was 20 some years ago. (wow thats quite a while when actually thinking of it) I did have 5 or 6 pairs for quite a few years that lived fine together from day one until death which was not less than 5 years. So like I said I guess I got lucky. When I tried a group of reds in the same tank that went very poorly after about 8-10 months as I stated further up in this thread, but seemed to always have luck putting 2 together (of the same kind). The reason for mentioning scissortails also comes from futher up, and yes I know they are different thats what I was stating.
Thats incredible that they are now tank bred I did not know this. Very cool.
So its possible the Helfrichi did spawn in the cave they shared but still the outcome would be the same unless in a controlled specialized set up for this purpose.
 

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