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Flasher wrasse has succumbed to an unknown pest in the tank.. thinking crab or mantis shrimp?? I've never seen him though and this is the third fish he has gotten. Any tips on how to get rid of it? I've tried leaving clams and mussels out overnight and have yet to see him
 
I would just watch the tank until you find out where it’s hiding and remove it. If it’s big enough to catch all these fish it shouldn’t be to hard to find.
 
I’m more willing to bet it’s a disease and the CUC got to them post mortem.

Not many things actively hunt fish.

Mantis usually found in our tanks are smashers that eat inverts. The spearers are the ones that eat fish and they usually live in the sand, although there are a couple that live in rocks that can be commonish hitchhikers. But I doubt a mantis got them.

In that line of thought, the mussels and clams would not entice a mantis that would hunt fish.
 
I’m more willing to bet it’s a disease and the CUC got to them post mortem.

Not many things actively hunt fish.

Mantis usually found in our tanks are smashers that eat inverts. The spearers are the ones that eat fish and they usually live in the sand, although there are a couple that live in rocks that can be commonish hitchhikers. But I doubt a mantis got them.

In that line of thought, the mussels and clams would not entice a mantis that would hunt fish.
I think it might be an emerald crab? I got a small one over a year ago and haven't seen him since. Thought he was dead. But I have many other fish that are completely healthy and not sick and all the fish that have gone missing have been acting completely normal up until they vanished which leaves me to believe it's not disease. All the fish that go missing spend the night in the cracks of this one particular rock too..
 
Had the same thing happen to one of my clowns. He was 100% normal in the morning but didn't show up for dinner. Found him lying on the sand half eaten. Got rid of the mithrax crab hitchhiker after that. I loved that little crab, but I can't have you picking off the fish.
 
Do you have any serpent stars? I’ve lost fish this way, the stars sneak up on sleeping fish.
 
Do you have any serpent stars? I’ve lost fish this way, the stars sneak up on sleeping fish.
Only certain ones like the green one actively would eat fish.

The others would/could only eat unhealthy lethargic ones.

Healthy fish would be able to escape easily.

I think it might be an emerald crab? I got a small one over a year ago and haven't seen him since. Thought he was dead. But I have many other fish that are completely healthy and not sick and all the fish that have gone missing have been acting completely normal up until they vanished which leaves me to believe it's not disease. All the fish that go missing spend the night in the cracks of this one particular rock too..

Again, not saying impossible, but an emerald crab would have a hard time attacking healthy fish.
 
Had the same thing happen to one of my clowns. He was 100% normal in the morning but didn't show up for dinner. Found him lying on the sand half eaten. Got rid of the mithrax crab hitchhiker after that. I loved that little crab, but I can't have you picking off the fish.
How'd you catch him?
 
Only certain ones like the green one actively would eat fish.

The others would/could only eat unhealthy lethargic ones.

Healthy fish would be able to escape easily.



Again, not saying impossible, but an emerald crab would have a hard time attacking healthy fish.
No serpent stars have been added to the tank. All I know is all 3 of the fish that have gone missing have been completely healthy looking and acting and eating completely fine up until they vanished during the middle of the night. Would have a hard time coming to the conclusion that it is disease. It's too random. 3 completely normal acting fish randomly vanish overnight over a 6 month period while all other fish in the tank are completely fine. What disease could do that?
 
No serpent stars have been added to the tank. All I know is all 3 of the fish that have gone missing have been completely healthy looking and acting and eating completely fine up until they vanished during the middle of the night. Would have a hard time coming to the conclusion that it is disease. It's too random. 3 completely normal acting fish randomly vanish overnight over a 6 month period while all other fish in the tank are completely fine. What disease could do that?

Could be due to their collection methods, random aggressions from other fish, physical trauma; unless you see something happen, really hard to tell.

Just happens sometimes.

Yes it could be a fish hunter, but I find deaths from mantis should be a bit of a misreported cause of death. I’ve kept mantis with fish and the smashers which would most likely come with rocks and make the clicking noise do not care about fish. The worst it could do is maybe a warning “hit” towards the fish but not to kill and eat.

You could try a mantis trap if you wish though
 
Only certain ones like the green one actively would eat fish.

The others would/could only eat unhealthy lethargic ones.

Healthy fish would be able to escape easily.



Again, not saying impossible, but an emerald crab would have a hard time attacking healthy fish.
Just to back up Bluemon here, I have an emerald crab and my tailspot goes right up to him, the emerald clab lunges out with his claw, but the tailspot has never been harmed, I think the crab just wants the fish to go away. The tailspot does not seem bothered by it.
 
I think it might be an emerald crab? I got a small one over a year ago and haven't seen him since. Thought he was dead. But I have many other fish that are completely healthy and not sick and all the fish that have gone missing have been acting completely normal up until they vanished which leaves me to believe it's not disease. All the fish that go missing spend the night in the cracks of this one particular rock too..
I saw your other thread about this problem too. This could definitely be the handy work of a mantis or pistol shrimp. In my opinion/experience, this is not the work of an emerald/mythrax crab. Emerald crabs are by and large just fine, but occasionally one of them can develop a taste for some corals, Zoanthids, for example, seems common. I don't believe that emerald crabs typically take down fish.

The other thing to consider is that you found your fish half eaten, but that's not proof that the crab killed the fish. It's only proof that the crab was doing what crabs do, scavenging. Meaning, the fish may have been killed by something else or passed for whatever reason, and the crab just happened upon the carcass, which is what crabs do.

Lastly, are you certain this isn't some fish parasite claiming the lives of the fish, and then the scavengers are living in their little heaven?

Good luck!
 
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Flasher wrasse has succumbed to an unknown pest in the tank..
How do you know? Could be natural causes or another fish or darted into a powerhead or rock.
thinking crab or mantis shrimp?? I've never seen him though and this is the third fish he has gotten. Any tips on how to get rid of it? I've tried leaving clams and mussels out overnight and have yet to see him
How did you find the others?

I'm just playing devils advocate.
 
I would just watch the tank until you find out where it’s hiding and remove it. If it’s big enough to catch all these fish it shouldn’t be to hard to find.
Watch your tank at night. Red light will help as a bright flashlight is too much light. Most predators come out at night.
Less sleep = more fish!
 
How do you know? Could be natural causes or another fish or darted into a powerhead or rock.

How did you find the others?

I'm just playing devils advocate.
Sorry I posted on an old thread about the first few I lost. Made a new post for this guy. All the evidence points to a predator. Never found the bodies of the first two. Disappeared overnight. Glass lid and plastic netting in corners so I know they didn't jump. All other fish are healthy and acting normal and it's been 3 random fish spread out since about January. One fish I had in there for over a year. I honestly think there is something in my largest rock that never comes out because I never see anything even when I look at night. And he preys on the select fish that sleep inside that rock at night. But if this sounds like a parasite or some kind of disease to somebody please let me know what specifically so I can try and treat for it. At this point I will try anything because I want to add new fish to replace the lost ones but I'm concerned they will get eaten. Like I said though all fish I have lost have been seemingly perfectly fine and healthy up until vanishing. Next step for me is purchasing a mantis shrimp trap and trying that.
 
I saw your other thread about this problem too. This could definitely be the handy work of a mantis or pistol shrimp. In my opinion/experience, this is not the work of an emerald/mythrax crab. Emerald crabs are by and large just fine, but occasionally one of them can develop a taste for some corals, Zoanthids, for example, seems common. I don't believe that emerald crabs typically take down fish.

The other thing to consider is that you found your fish half eaten, but that's not proof that the crab killed the fish. It's only proof that the crab was doing what crabs do, scavenging. Meaning, the fish may have been killed by something else or passed for whatever reason, and the crab just happened upon the carcass, which is what crabs do.

Lastly, are you certain this isn't some fish parasite claiming the lives of the fish, and then the scavengers are living in their little heaven?

Good luck!
I do have a pistol shrimp.. I've never heard of them attacking fish though? And he is the scardiest little guy ever, fleeing at the slightest movement near his burrow. Also, he closes up his cave at night and never comes out during night. Which is when all my fish have disappeared. Have you had bad experiences with pistol shrimp?
 
Just an update to this thread. I ended up losing more fish to the mystery predator. I think it ended up being 4 or 5 fish over a 6-8 month period. I finally decided to remove my tiger pistol shrimp/yellow watchman pair just Incase he was the culprit and I have not lost a fish since then. It's been months without a loss. I've never heard of tiger pistol shrimps actively hunting fish like that before but mine definitely was taking advantage of the healthy fish while they were sleeping. Anybody else have this happen before?
 

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