Help with high KH, Calcium and Magnesium

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Do you have an image of the refractometer you have? Asking only because I have the tropic Marin one and using it in a graduated cylinder it has been easy for me to read and I don't have the best eye sight. Just throwing it out because you mentioned earlier of having trouble reading your hydrometer.

PS. I'm sure your aware but you'll need to calibrate the refractometer. Using RO is not recommended for most so you'll need a known good calibration fluid or you'll be back in the same boat.
I got this hydrometer from a very reputable FS and I've just mailed them about it. They can keep their money, I don't want it back but they need to know its readings are all over the place on RO water at room and tank temperature. RO water at 27c should give a reading of 0.996, this gives 0.900
At room temperature it should give a reading of 10.00 but its reading is 0.900 again which is a full 0.10 out.
This means if you set your salinity at 10.25 at 27c it will actually be 10.35.
I've triple checked it.
I'm using a magnifying glass to see the level, I can see it much better now.
 
This is RO water at room temp, I've marked where the readings are. What is this nonsense? RO water should read 1000.
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Paper scale slipped?
 
That hydrometer is not going to allow very precise readings due to the very wide scale.

If I wanted to use that hydrometer, I'd make a 35 ppt standard (directions below), see where the 35 ppt comes to in water at your tank temperature, make note of exactly where it is, and target your tank to that level.

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/reef-aquarium-salinity-diy-calibration-standards.956/
from it:
Specific Gravity Standard

Most aquarists recognize that inexpensive hydrometers are often prone to error. In some cases, inaccuracy is due to poor manufacturing, and in other cases, it is due to poor usage by aquarists. In a previous article, I tested several hydrometers and found variable results, from good to marginal. Beyond the inherent accuracy of the measurement is the confusing problem of how specific gravity relates to the temperature of the measurement, an issue which I detailed in that same article.

The best way to be sure that a given hydrometer is giving accurate information is to check its accuracy in a solution with a density (specific gravity) similar to the aquarium water. In order to provide a standard for hydrometers, a solution of a similar specific gravity to normal seawater is required. Seawater with S= 35 has a specific gravity of about 1.0264 (Tables 1 and 3).
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In order to match this specific gravity to a standard solution made from sodium chloride, one can look up the density of different sodium chloride solutions in the scientific literature. My CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics (57th Edition, Page D-252)4 has such a table (partially reproduced in Table 3), but it has data only for 20°C (68°F). Specific gravity at 20°C is easily calculated by dividing the density of the solutions by the density of water at the same temperature. This table (4) can then be compared to seawater at 20°C (Table 5). The primary purpose of showing specific gravity at 25°C (77°F; Tables 1 and 3) and 20°C (Table 4) is to show that specific gravity does not change much with temperature (1.0264 vs. 1.0266). Nevertheless, it is only the 20°C data that will be used to devise a standard.

The table in the CRC Handbook has entries for 3.7 and 3.8 weight percent solutions of sodium chloride that span the specific gravity value for normal seawater. Interpolating between these data points suggests that a solution of 3.714 weight percent sodium chloride has the same specific gravity (and density) as S=35 seawater, and can be used as an appropriate specific gravity standard (Table 5). For most purposes, 3.7 weight percent is accurate enough.


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To produce a 3.714 weight percent sodium chloride solution, dissolve 1 teaspoon (6.20 grams) of Morton's Iodized Salt in 161 mL (161 g) of fresh water (making a total volume of about 163 mL after dissolution of the salt). This solution can be scaled up as desired.

For a rougher measurement in the absence of an accurate water volume measurement:

1. Measure ¼ cup of Morton's Iodized Salt (about 73.1 g)
2. Add 1½ teaspoon of salt (making about 82.4 g total salt)
3. Measure the full volume of a plastic 2-L Coke or Diet Coke bottle filled with purified fresh water (about 2104.4 g)
4. Add an additional 2 tablespoons of purified fresh water (about 30 g)
5. Dissolve the total salt (82.4 g) in the total water volume (2134.4 g) to make an approximately 3.7 weight percent solution of NaCl. The volume of this solution is larger than the Coke bottle, so dissolve it in another container.

How to Use a Specific Gravity Standard

Depending on the type of hydrometer, one would use this solution differently.

For standard floating hydrometers (Figure 6), which are not self-correcting for temperature variations, it is important to use the standard at the same temperature at which the aquarium water will be tested (within say, ± 0.5 ºC or ± 1 ºF). Preferably, that will also be the temperature at which the hydrometer is intended to be used (often marked on it), but that is not an absolute requirement. The aquarist can then mark on the hydrometer the level to which it rises (that is, the water line), and use that as an indication of the specific gravity of S=35 seawater, which has all of the properties listed in Table 1(specific gravity = 1.0264, etc.). If the hydrometer reads higher or lower than 1.0264, then the aquarist can just imagine the scale on the hydrometer to be shifted up or down, and shift all other readings taken with it (at the same temperature) by the same amount.

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Figure 6. A Tropic Marin floating hydrometer.

For example, if the standard comes out at 1.0230 (and it is really 1.0264), then just add 1.0264 - 1.0230 = 0.0034 to each measured value).

For swing arm hydrometers (Figure 7), which are largely self-correcting for temperature variations, add the standard to the swing arm hydrometer at roughly the same temperature at which the aquarium water will be tested (say, ± 5ºC or ± 10ºF). Once the reading stabilizes, the aquarist can mark the reading (or just remember it) and use that as an indication of the specific gravity of S=35 seawater, which has all of the properties listed in Table 1 (specific gravity = 1.0264, etc.). If the hydrometer reads higher or lower than 1.0264, then the aquarist can just imagine the scale on the hydrometer to be shifted up or down, and shift all other readings taken with it by the same amount, just as for a standard floating hydrometer.

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Figure 7. The SeaTest swing arm hydrometer.


Just to be especially clear: this solution need not be used at exactly 20°C (68°F). It will be just about as accurate at 25°C (77°F) since specific gravity does not change much with temperature, and these salt solutions would be expected to change density with temperature in about the same fashion as seawater. The most important factor is that the temperature of the standard, when measured, be the same as the aquarium water when it is measured.

How to Use a Standard Hydrometer

Here are a few additional tips for using a hydrometer:

1. Make sure that the hydrometer is completely clean (no salt deposits) and that the part of the hydrometer above the water line is dry. Tossing it in so it sinks deeply and then bobs to the surface will leave water on the exposed part that will weigh down the hydrometer and give a falsely low specific gravity reading. Salt deposits above the water line will have the same effect. If any deposits won't easily dissolve, try washing it in dilute acid (such as vinegar or diluted muriatic acid).
2. Make sure that there are no air bubbles attached to the hydrometer. These will help buoy the hydrometer and yield a falsely high specific gravity reading.
3. Make sure that the hydrometer is the same temperature as the water (and preferably the air).
4. Read the hydrometer at the plane of the water's surface, not along the meniscus (Figure 2; the meniscus is the lip of water that either rises up along the shaft of the hydrometer, or curves down into the water, depending on the hydrophobicity of the hydrometer).
5. Rinse with purified freshwater after use to reduce deposits.
6. Do not leave the hydrometer floating around in the tank between uses. If left in the aquarium, deposits may form that will be difficult to remove.
 
They sent me the money back. I sent them the picture of the readings I put on here and they were quite disturbed how innacurate its readings were for RO water. In fact they couldn't apologise enough.
Lesson learned, refractometer from now on.
 
They sent me the money back. I sent them the picture of the readings I put on here and they were quite disturbed how innacurate its readings were for RO water. In fact they couldn't apologise enough.
Lesson learned, refractometer from now on.

Refractometers have their own issues. Be sure to calibrate with a high quality (preferably DIY) standard, not ro/di water.
 
They sent me the money back. I sent them the picture of the readings I put on here and they were quite disturbed how innacurate its readings were for RO water. In fact they couldn't apologise enough.
Lesson learned, refractometer from now on.

Refractometers have their own issues. Be sure to calibrate with a high quality (preferably DIY) standard, not ro/di water.
Diy? How do you make a diy mix to calibrate. I was gonna buy some calibration fluid.
 
No I've got an hydrometer which I've tested on ro water and is quite accurate.
Could the fact I've turned off my oxygen producing devices have an effect on the readings. I haven't had my power head breaking the surface and my skimmer is off because there is no nitrate or phosphates in the water.
Should I test after a few hours of oxygenating?
Donate calibration is inaccurate. Make a 35ppt solution or buy some to calibrate. I bet your salinity is 1.030
 
Diy? How do you make a diy mix to calibrate. I was gonna buy some calibration fluid.

Make it yourself to have confidence in it, assuming you have a good scale.

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/reef-aquarium-salinity-diy-calibration-standards.956/
Refractometer Standard

It is widely believed that only pure water is required to calibrate refractometers. That fact is true of some refractometers (known as true seawater refractometers; if it doesn’t say it is one, it likely is not), and it may be acceptable for routine calibration, but even for a true seawater refractometer, it assumes that they were manufactured correctly and have not been damaged since manufacturing. As refractometers used by aquarists become less and less expensive due to mass manufacture, there is every reason to believe that at some point they will no longer be accurate enough.

The only way to be sure that a given refractometer gives useful information is to check its accuracy in a solution similar to aquarium water. I believe that all refractometers should be calibrated or at least checked in this fashion when first purchased, and again any time there is a reason to be concerned. For example, an aquarist might be concerned if an aquarium that had been running for years at a salinity of 35 ppt suddenly reads 39 ppt.

In order to provide a standard for refractometers, a solution whose refractive index is similar to normal seawater is required. Seawater with S= 35 has a refractive index of 1.3394.1 Likewise, the refractive index of different sodium chloride solutions can be found in the scientific literature. My CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics (57th Edition, Page D-252)4 has such a table. That table has entries for 3.6 and 3.7 weight percent solutions of sodium chloride that span the value for normal seawater. Interpolating between these data points suggests that a solution of 3.65 weight percent sodium chloride has the same refractive index as S=35 seawater, and can be used as an appropriate standard (Table 2).

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This 3.65 weight percent sodium chloride solution can be made by dissolving 3.65 grams of sodium chloride in 96.35 grams (mL) of purified fresh water. That amount roughly corresponds to ¼ cup (73.1 g) of Morton's Iodized Salt dissolved into 2 liters (2000 g) of water (giving very slightly more than 2 L of total volume).

How to Use a Refractive Index Standard

One simple way to use this refractive index standard is to measure it with a refractometer, and just remember what setting the standard came to. That setting represents S=35 seawater, with all of the properties shown in Table 1. Hopefully, the reading of the refractometer at that point will be similar to the properties in Table 1 (specific gravity = 1.026 - 1.027, or S=35, depending on the units). Simply using it as the target salinity for the aquarium is a fine way to go.

Alternatively, one can actually calibrate the refractometer using the standard by adjusting it until it reads the appropriate setting indicated in Table 1. Exactly how to adjust it depends on the refractometer, but often it is as simple as turning a screw.
 

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