I've never lost a fish during acclimation and have done everything from floating (when I first started) and then drip, etc...
Eric Cohen?
Eric Cohen?
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Salinity is a problem with some fish. With wrasse I will only raise 1-2 points in 24 hours. I match a qt or holding tank to bag water salinity then temp acclimate the drop in tank.Nope. Is osmotic shock a real thing for fish?
I think this is a great answer and reflects well for delicate fresh water fishes. I think the salt water fishes are ready-built to handle osmotic stress just to live in seawater [email protected]. I have watched many shipment of saltwater fishes floated for temperature and then their bags were sliced open over a net and the fish gets plopped into a commercial tank @1.026. Deaths from shipping stress & complications may occur but the salinity/mixing and drip acclimation did not prevent those losses.
I don't want to be part of a dangerous thread. Shipping losses are a good reason to stop our hobby; How can we support the death of a fish, invert, etc, due to shipping? "Leave it in the sea" (isn't an option for me and my Aquarium).
I'm against bag dripping for sure.
I'm for acclimation however, since I'm seeing fish die in our cycling posts from the acclimation jump (on cue, masses scream out: Its ammonia! the display wasn't cycled!)
I'm for acclimation between .017 holding water and .024 reef water by methods not involved in bag dripping or floating. get creative. for initial stocking/first fish/we can have the new cyclers simply bring down their ready tank to receive the .017 fish then bring it back up before corals, and quit buying fish from that source so that round two inputs/disease vectors he he aren't salinity shocked.
I specifically think that since Atoll does not run fish disease forums, nor have any cycling threads for new tank startups he runs, it's very very very easy to just state to everyone simply do not acclimate. seems good on paper anyway/his reef is about as pro as it can get after all.
99% of the people reading this advise aren't reefing in a +20 year old, twenty thousand dollar sps reef where the keeper is as nuanced in the game as bob ross was with a common paintbrush
give advice that matches the context your readers see
No drip! Air stones are our friends! More important to acclimate for salinity then ph is what I’ve really come to notice. Temp is gonna come up with a float or heater but that’s number two on the list.I've never lost a fish during acclimation and have done everything from floating (when I first started) and then drip, etc...
Eric Cohen?
@Tamberav it would be he needs to state:
when dealing with an established reef tank, full of hiding spots, fed like a pro from the seafood aisle of a grocery store, lit appropriately to the age of tank and hiding spots, rocks covered in coralline and benthic growths that cause direct calm in fish visually and by association, with such ammonia command it'll never be a factor, with natural disease suppression assisted by the system of such age and live rock content, conspecifics present and behavioral interactions already factored, you can plop fish in.
By leaving out context, any sort of acknowledgement such as ' does this apply to newly cycled white rock setups' and by leaving out disease preps required before plopping in fish even to those system, this method(s) kills fish for others.
but never for Atoll.
to leave out context is to rob science.
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we had every right to inspect that claim, especially since it's catching on by the gatekeepers finally.
* I realize it won't be unblocked its just fair irony to point out. I have no basis to make a request/aware lol.
this thread goes against very specific recommends from our own fish care board, its controversial for that reason.
neither thread is dangerous, neither should be closed. angry posters who show up to wreck threads until their closed needed regulation.
I'm not angry at all, Atoll's tank is nothing like 99% of his reader's tanks, he's not even mad I pointed that out.