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Introduction to Flow, Tank Turnover, and Powerheads for the Reef Tank, Part 1

This 180-gallon display tank has 15,000 gallons per hour total tank turnover.
r2rfabutahoun.jpg

This tank belongs to, and the photo is courtesy of @fabutahoun, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

This is an article that I’ve been wanting to write (or get someone else to write) for quite a while. Tank turnover is something that is not well understood by beginners, and there is a lot of confusion about it. Furthermore, beginners are often reluctant to ask questions about topics that they perceive that everyone else understands.

So, in this piece, I’m going to attempt to define what tank turnover is, why you need water movement in a saltwater aquarium, and how to achieve it.

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What is tank turnover?

Tank turnover means different things to different people.

Definition #1:

If you have a sump, then for some people, tank turnover means how much water flows out of and back into your aquarium through the sump. This could also be called sump turnover. And let me interject here, that just because you have a pump that is rated for 1000gph, for example, that doesn’t mean that 1000gph is actually flowing. The actual amount of water flowing into and out of the display tank will be reduced by friction and how much height the pump has to overcome—like say it has to pump up vertically 15 feet from your basement. I’ll save a discussion of pumps for another article.

Definition #2:

If you do not have a sump, then for you, tank turnover may mean just how much water is circulating or moving around in your tank. In this case, you add up how many powerheads you have and what each one is rated for. You could also theoretically add to this number if you have a skimmer (and how much water it is processing) and any other mechanical filters that move water (and how much water they are processing). You add up all those gallons per hour and you have your total tank turnover in gallons per hour or whatever unit you’re using.

Definition #3:

The last definition is the one that most people are thinking of when they talk about tank turnover. This is simply #1 + #2 or how much water is going out of the aquarium and coming back in (if you have a sump) plus how much water is moving around inside the aquarium. Some people refer to this as tank “flow.” As in, “how much flow do you have?”

So, now that we have a vague idea what tank turnover is, let’s talk about why we need it. If you have experience with freshwater aquariums, you probably didn’t worry too much about how much flow you had.

Simple diagram of display tank and sump (below display tank). Water moves in a clockwise direction, gravity-fed down on the right and pumped up on the left. The small blue box is the pump.
r2rbasicsystem.jpg

Diagram was furnished by @sbash, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

Why do we need flow in a saltwater aquarium?

There are a lot of reasons why you need flow in a saltwater aquarium. Here are some of them, not in any particular order:

1. Gas exchange.

Movement of the water helps with gas exchange. It helps to have carbon dioxide or nitrogen gas released to the air and oxygen to be added to the water, for example. Oxygen enters the water at the surface or is mixed with the water in a skimmer. Flow helps all parts of the tank to have equal oxygenation.

Cold water can hold more dissolved oxygen than warm water, and fresh water can hold more dissolved oxygen than saltwater. This is one reason why freshwater aquarists don’t fret about dissolved oxygen like reefers. The warmer and saltier your water is, the less oxygen it holds.

2. Movement of ions.

In the same way that water flow increases the chances of equal oxygenation throughout the tank, water flow also ensures that you have an equal spread of other needed ions or nutrients. For example, barely moving corals are taking up calcium around them; flow of water replenishes what they use up faster than if there was no movement. Oxygen radicals are also moved away from corals, as too many of them in the vicinity of coral can be detrimental.

3. Suspension of detritus.

Movement in the water keeps junk aloft, and that’s how the garbage travels through the filter and/or skimmer and/or sump to be removed in some kind of filter like a filter sock or your skimmer. Water quality is extremely important in a reef tank because any detritus that sits around will break down eventually lowering the water quality.

4. Feeding livestock.

Lots of livestock doesn’t move much, like a Tridacna clam, for example. The ability of this type of livestock to eat is a function of what and how much and how often something edible floats past it. Yes, clams also have zooxanthellae that help feed their hosts through the use of sunlight, but they are also filter feeders. And filter feeders need something to pass by to filter.

5. Removing waste from livestock.

For livestock that doesn’t move much, the motion of the water also removes their waste and washes it away, well as much as you can wash something away in a closed captive reef. But the water action also serves other purposes such moving away irritating chemicals or toxins that neighboring livestock may produce.

6. Water movement is what the livestock is used to.

As much as possible, reef aquarists try to recreate a little reef. Real reefs have water movement and sometimes lots of it. So, if you’re try to make your livestock feel at home, so to speak, then you have to give them water movement.

7. Avoiding “dead” areas.

Experienced aquarists frequently speak of “dead” zones and how they are accidents waiting to happen. Having flow everywhere in the tank will help you to avoid problems like with cyanobacteria and nuisance algae.

So, now that we’ve covered why you need water flow in your reef tank, what kind of flow do you need?

Well, that’s not an easy question to answer. What you want to avoid is a lot of laminar flow or constant steady flow in one direction only. You want something that’s chaotic and/or surge-like and/or with an ebb and flow—like the tide. You probably wouldn’t enjoy your garden hose with a narrow, tight, power-wash spray setting, spraying on your arm in the same place 24/7, and your corals don’t like it either.

And how much flow do you need?

And now we get to the interesting part. It depends on who you ask, and also what kind of livestock you have, and whether you’re talking about internal water movement or total tank turnover (see #3 earlier). So, let’s take a look at these variables.

If you have a sump, then you can run as much water through it as you want, in theory. Although if you have a skimmer that’s only processing a small amount of the flow, then you don’t gain a lot by having a kiloton of water pass by per hour. Yes, maybe that water is all flowing through a filter sock, but is the water that dirty? And yes, maybe you’re oxygenating it—a little—but the part going through the skimmer is oxygenating its part a lot more.

So, for the sake of discussion if you have a 100-gallon display tank and a 50-gallon sump, and you anticipate a heavy bioload, let’s say you choose this skimmer (I just picked one—I’m not married to this one.) The max flow-through recommended for this skimmer is 260GPH.

Screenshot of Reef Octopus Skimmer rated for 150G well-stocked.
Screen Shot 2019-03-16 at 4.19.32 PM.png

Screenshot courtesy of @Seawitch from the Bulk Reef Supply website, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

That means that for in/out tank turnover, one could argue that anything more than 260GPH, if you run the skimmer wide open, is a waste. And you probably don’t want to run it wide open. Let’s say you want to run it at about 200GPH. Your display tank (100G) + your sump (50G) = 150G Total Tank Volume*. So, you could really run as little as 1.3X your tank volume in gallons per hour through the sump. You could run more water through, but your skimmer won’t be touching it.

Edit: If you read the comments below the article, @ca1ore in comments #4 and #9 pointed out that 1.3X your tank volume is probably not enough to run through the sump and that most people keep their heaters and dosers in the sump, so it's preferable to run more than I suggested. Furthermore, skimmers are not as efficient as I suggest, and it's impossible to be sure exactly how much water is being processed by a skimmer. I stand corrected.

You can run 300GPH through the sump or 600GPH or 6000GPH. I don’t care. My point is that you don’t have to get all your needed water movement through the sump because you can increase your water movement inside the display tank with powerheads. But you can run a lot of water through the sump if you want to, and that will cut down on your need for creating additional water movement inside the display tank.

So, let’s ask the question again: how much total water flow do I need overall for my display tank?

Again, it depends on who you ask. Interestingly enough, I found a great video on the topic by Bulk Reef Supply. In that video, BRS says they recommend 20-50X tank volume total turnover.

And who needs a low- or medium- or high-flow tank? In general, the rule is (and rules are made to be broken) soft corals need low flow, large polyp stony coral (LPS) need medium flow, and small polyp stony coral (SPS) need high flow.

A 190-gallon reef (soft coral and LPS) tank with about 2000 gallons per hour tank turnover.
r2rtankturnover (1).jpg

This tank belongs to, and the photo is courtesy of @Pntbll687, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

So let’s come back to our example of the 100-gallon tank with the 50-gallon sump. Let’s say you want to aim for a medium-flow tank at 30X total tank turnover or 30 X 150 gallons = 4500GPH.

If you run 200GPH through the sump, that leaves 4300GPH you need to move inside just the display tank. Maybe slightly less if you don’t count the sump. So, how do you do that? You add some powerheads that move that much water, like four (4) powerheads that each move 1000GPH or eight (8) powerheads that move 500GPH or eight (8) that move 1000GPH and run them each ½ time to create some chaotic flow. You feel me? You can do anything you want.

You can also run a mechanical filter to move water. Yes, you can. Purists are going to flip out when they read this because a mechanical filter can create a host of problems if you don’t clean it a lot, like every other day. But you can have one. Not everyone has a sump and a filter sock.

The reason you have to keep a mechanical filter relatively clean is because any junk or detritus that the mechanical filter catches will break down over time and cause your water quality to deteriorate. A dirty filter becomes what is called a nutrient sink. But if you’re vigilant, and you rinse out the detritus a lot so it doesn’t have time to break down, then the mechanical filter A) performs the same job as a filter sock, B) moves water and adds to your total flow, and C) it will also become colonized with beneficial bacteria that will help with chemical filtration.

A mechanical filter will never perform chemical filtration as efficiently as live rock, but the filter can be a plus and not a minus.

In another good video, this time by Marine Depot, they said they recommend 10-20X tank volume total turnover for a “low flow” tank, 20-40X tank volume total turnover for a “medium flow” tank, and > 40X for a “high flow” tank.

Then I watched a good video from Vivid Aquariums. In that video, “low flow” is defined at 10-15X turnover, “medium flow” is 15-17X turnover, and “high flow” is 20X turnover. Hmmmmm.

As you can see, this is not an exact science, and I’ve heard of people having much lower flow through a sleepy but thriving refugium and much higher flow, like 100X total tank turnover, in a display tank. In fact, the top photo with this article shows a tank with almost 100X tank turnover, while the 2nd tank photo shows a tank with about 10X tank turnover.

I’m going to stop here, and in Part 2 I’m going to talk about what different types of powerheads have to offer and how to decide what you need. We’ll also hear from some forum members on what the flow is in their tanks.

*I'm doing these calculations in terms of total system volume (display tank + sump, if you have one). You can also reason this through in terms of just the display tank volume, as long as you understand that overall you have more water in your "system" than just the display tank, for purposes of dosing, for example.

References:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5150980/

https://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/features/articles/the-flow-must-go-on

https://reefs.com/2017/10/27/importance-water-movement-reef-aquarium/

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/topics/radicals.html

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/circmarart.htm

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Cynthia received her BA in English from NYU a long long time ago. She has been a freelance writer and editor for over 20 years. Now she is a writer and editor on staff at R2R, where her forum nickname is Seawitch.
 

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Trying to read as much information as possible before actually setting up a tank. And this was actually one of my questions! I originally wasn't concerned with how much volume but more in the details of actual placement! I want to make sure there are no dead spots also provide a 3 tier zone for low, medium and high flow corals.

Looking fwd to reading part 2!
 

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Great points made in another fantastic article
 

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Great Article, I think of flow as the most Impotent factor , next to correct and stable water parameters, in keeping a reef aquarium. if there is no flow at all things will start dying in few hours.
 

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The linkage between flow through sump and skimmer processing is faux logic, and an oft perpetuated myth.
Completely agree. To me 'turnover' has and always will be the rate at which the volume of the tank is processed through the life support system -typically in a sump type container. Whereas circulation/flow would be the total amount of water moved within the display by return pump input as well as any powerheads. A skimmer's flow rating has never been a deciding factor in sump turnover for me personally when I design systems. I think the process rate across biomedia, algal filter, and/or a chiller unit is a much more critical metric. So that's what I typically use to base a minimum turnover requirement and subsequently select appropriate return pump(s).
 

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The linkage between flow through sump and skimmer processing is faux logic, and an oft perpetuated myth.

Really? I found several references to that. Then what do you believe flow through the sump should be based on?
 

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For me I try to move as much water as possible through my sump. My limiting factors are how fast can my Durso drain in my corner overflow and how much noise can I tolerate. My personal preference is I want my sump flow to be faster than than that of my skimmer ingest.
 

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Really? I found several references to that. Then what do you believe flow through the sump should be based on?

Doesn't mean it's correct :D. As I noted, it is an oft perpetuated myth - one of those things that sorta seems like it makes sense, until you really think about it, and then it completely doesn't. I used to argue this over on RC, but since the median experience of a reefer is 2-3 years, probably most people here on R2R weren't around then. The 'problem' lies in fluid dynamics and the way in which a skimmer works. Just because you calibrate your return to exactly match skimmer processing, doesn't mean that all of that volume will magically find its way into the skimmer. Some of the water from your tank will 'miss' the skimmer and go right back up; some of the water processed by the skimmer will go back though a second, or even third, time. There are some things one could do in terms of sump design to improve the percentage of drain water that gets ingested by the skimmer, but I suspect most people have not done that; thus any effort to match is largely pointless. The other problem with the argument is rooted in the assumption that a pass-though skimmer will remove everything it can in just a single pass. This is not the case and quite easily proven. It is also, incidentally, why recirculation skimmers exist. If a skimmer pulled everything out in one pass, recircualtors would be pointless. If folks want to match sump flow with simmer processing, go ahead. If they think it's a better approach, I'm thrilled for them. It just doesn't pass the common sense test.

Flow though the sump, in my view, needs to accomplish two things. Assuming folks have their temperature control equipment in the sump, there must be adequate water exchange to ensure even heating of the display. Then there must be enough flow through the overflow to ensure adequate surface skimming. This can be affected by overflow style as well, but GPH is an important element. If you have surface scum on the surface of your display, you're not running enough exchange. Both of these things can be accomplished with 3-5x display volume per hour. I see no particularly compelling argument for any other drivers of exchange between display and sump - at least, nobody has ever suggested something that I thought to be compelling :).
 
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doesn't mean that all of that volume will magically find its way into the skimmer
I have to agree with your point that the skimmer can't possably skim all the water in the sump. First they work in parallel to one another (almost)

First is Volume The skimmer would need to be as large as the sump, but then there is Contact time I am guessing X-3 so then the skimmer would need to be 3 times the size to skim the tank turn over and thats not takinto account the other points that Ca1ore mentioned.
 

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Seawitch submitted a new Article:

Introduction to Flow, Tank Turnover, and Powerheads for the Reef Tank, Part 1

This 180-gallon display tank has 15,000 gallons per hour total tank turnover.
r2rfabutahoun.jpg

This tank belongs to, and the photo is courtesy of @fabutahoun, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

This is an article that I’ve been wanting to write (or get someone else to write) for quite a while. Tank turnover is something that is not well understood by beginners, and there is a lot of confusion about it. Furthermore, beginners are often reluctant to ask questions about topics that they perceive that everyone else understands.

So, in this piece, I’m going to attempt to define what tank turnover is, why you need water movement in a saltwater aquarium, and how to achieve it.

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What is tank turnover?

Tank turnover means different things to different people.

Definition #1:

If you have a sump, then for some people, tank turnover means how much water flows out of and back into your aquarium through the sump. This could also be called sump turnover. And let me interject here, that just because you have a pump that is rated for 1000gph, for example, that doesn’t mean that 1000gph is actually flowing. The actual amount of water flowing into and out of the display tank will be reduced by friction and how much height the pump has to overcome—like say it has to pump up vertically 15 feet from your basement. I’ll save a discussion of pumps for another article.

Definition #2:

If you do not have a sump, then for you, tank turnover may mean just how much water is circulating or moving around in your tank. In this case, you add up how many powerheads you have and what each one is rated for. You could also theoretically add to this number if you have a skimmer (and how much water it is processing) and any other mechanical filters that move water (and how much water they are processing). You add up all those gallons per hour and you have your total tank turnover in gallons per hour or whatever unit you’re using.

Definition #3:

The last definition is the one that most people are thinking of when they talk about tank turnover. This is simply #1 + #2 or how much water is going out of the aquarium and coming back in (if you have a sump) plus how much water is moving around inside the aquarium. Some people refer to this as tank “flow.” As in, “how much flow do you have?”

So, now that we have a vague idea what tank turnover is, let’s talk about why we need it. If you have experience with freshwater aquariums, you probably didn’t worry too much about how much flow you had.

Simple diagram of display tank and sump (below display tank). Water moves in a clockwise direction, gravity-fed down on the right and pumped up on the left. The small blue box is the pump.
r2rbasicsystem.jpg

Diagram was furnished by @sbash, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

Why do we need flow in a saltwater aquarium?

There are a lot of reasons why you need flow in a saltwater aquarium. Here are some of them, not in any particular order:

1. Gas exchange.

Movement of the water helps with gas exchange. It helps to have carbon dioxide or nitrogen gas released to the air and oxygen to be added to the water, for example. Oxygen enters the water at the surface or is mixed with the water in a skimmer. Flow helps all parts of the tank to have equal oxygenation.

Cold water can hold more dissolved oxygen than warm water, and fresh water can hold more dissolved oxygen than saltwater. This is one reason why freshwater aquarists don’t fret about dissolved oxygen like reefers. The warmer and saltier your water is, the less oxygen it holds.

2. Movement of ions.

In the same way that water flow increases the chances of equal oxygenation throughout the tank, water flow also ensures that you have an equal spread of other needed ions or nutrients. For example, barely moving corals are taking up calcium around them; flow of water replenishes what they use up faster than if there was no movement. Oxygen radicals are also moved away from corals, as too many of them in the vicinity of coral can be detrimental.

3. Suspension of detritus.

Movement in the water keeps junk aloft, and that’s how the garbage travels through the filter and/or skimmer and/or sump to be removed in some kind of filter like a filter sock or your skimmer. Water quality is extremely important in a reef tank because any detritus that sits around will break down eventually lowering the water quality.

4. Feeding livestock.

Lots of livestock doesn’t move much, like a Tridacna clam, for example. The ability of this type of livestock to eat is a function of what and how much and how often something edible floats past it. Yes, clams also have zooxanthellae that help feed their hosts through the use of sunlight, but they are also filter feeders. And filter feeders need something to pass by to filter.

5. Removing waste from livestock.

For livestock that doesn’t move much, the motion of the water also removes their waste and washes it away, well as much as you can wash something away in a closed captive reef. But the water action also serves other purposes such moving away irritating chemicals or toxins that neighboring livestock may produce.

6. Water movement is what the livestock is used to.

As much as possible, reef aquarists try to recreate a little reef. Real reefs have water movement and sometimes lots of it. So, if you’re try to make your livestock feel at home, so to speak, then you have to give them water movement.

7. Avoiding “dead” areas.

Experienced aquarists frequently speak of “dead” zones and how they are accidents waiting to happen. Having flow everywhere in the tank will help you to avoid problems like with cyanobacteria and nuisance algae.

So, now that we’ve covered why you need water flow in your reef tank, what kind of flow do you need?

Well, that’s not an easy question to answer. What you want to avoid is a lot of laminar flow or constant steady flow in one direction only. You want something that’s chaotic and/or surge-like and/or with an ebb and flow—like the tide. You probably wouldn’t enjoy your garden hose with a narrow, tight, power-wash spray setting, spraying on your arm in the same place 24/7, and your corals don’t like it either.

And how much flow do you need?

And now we get to the interesting part. It depends on who you ask, and also what kind of livestock you have, and whether you’re talking about internal water movement or total tank turnover (see #3 earlier). So, let’s take a look at these variables.

If you have a sump, then you can run as much water through it as you want, in theory. Although if you have a skimmer that’s only processing a small amount of the flow, then you don’t gain a lot by having a kiloton of water pass by per hour. Yes, maybe that water is all flowing through a filter sock, but is the water that dirty? And yes, maybe you’re oxygenating it—a little—but the part going through the skimmer is oxygenating its part a lot more.

So, for the sake of discussion if you have a 100-gallon display tank and a 50-gallon sump, and you anticipate a heavy bioload, let’s say you choose this skimmer (I just picked one—I’m not married to this one.) The max flow-through recommended for this skimmer is 260GPH.

Screenshot of Reef Octopus Skimmer rated for 150G well-stocked.
Screen Shot 2019-03-16 at 4.19.32 PM.png

Screenshot courtesy of @Seawitch from the Bulk Reef Supply website, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

That means that for in/out tank turnover, one could argue that anything more than 260GPH, if you run the skimmer wide open, is a waste. And you probably don’t want to run it wide open. Let’s say you want to run it at about 200GPH. Your display tank (100G) + your sump (50G) = 150G Total Tank Volume*. So, you could really run as little as 1.3X your tank volume in gallons per hour through the sump. You could run more water through, but your skimmer won’t be touching it.

You can run 300GPH through the sump or 600GPH or 6000GPH. I don’t care. My point is that you don’t have to get all your needed water movement through the sump because you can increase your water movement inside the display tank with powerheads. But you can run a lot of water through the sump if you want to, and that will cut down on your need for creating additional water movement inside the display tank.

So, let’s ask the question again: how much total water flow do I need overall for my display tank?

Again, it depends on who you ask. Interestingly enough, I found a great video on the topic by Bulk Reef Supply. In that video, BRS says they recommend 20-50X tank volume total turnover.

And who needs a low- or medium- or high-flow tank? In general, the rule is (and rules are made to be broken) soft corals need low flow, large polyp stony coral (LPS) need medium flow, and small polyp stony coral (SPS) need high flow.

A 190-gallon reef (soft coral and LPS) tank with about 2000 gallons per hour tank turnover.
r2rtankturnover (1).jpg

This tank belongs to, and the photo is courtesy of @Pntbll687, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

So let’s come back to our example of the 100-gallon tank with the 50-gallon sump. Let’s say you want to aim for a medium-flow tank at 30X total tank turnover or 30 X 150 gallons = 4500GPH.

If you run 200GPH through the sump, that leaves 4300GPH you need to move inside just the display tank. Maybe slightly less if you don’t count the sump. So, how do you do that? You add some powerheads that move that much water, like four (4) powerheads that each move 1000GPH or eight (8) powerheads that move 500GPH or eight (8) that move 1000GPH and run them each ½ time to create some chaotic flow. You feel me? You can do anything you want.

You can also run a mechanical filter to move water. Yes, you can. Purists are going to flip out when they read this because a mechanical filter can create a host of problems if you don’t clean it a lot, like every other day. But you can have one. Not everyone has a sump and a filter sock.

The reason you have to keep a mechanical filter relatively clean is because any junk or detritus that the mechanical filter catches will break down over time and cause your water quality to deteriorate. A dirty filter becomes what is called a nutrient sink. But if you’re vigilant, and you rinse out the detritus a lot so it doesn’t have time to break down, then the mechanical filter A) performs the same job as a filter sock, B) moves water and adds to your total flow, and C) it will also become colonized with beneficial bacteria that will help with chemical filtration.

A mechanical filter will never perform chemical filtration as efficiently as live rock, but the filter can be a plus and not a minus.

In another good video, this time by Marine Depot, they said they recommend 10-20X tank volume total turnover for a “low flow” tank, 20-40X tank volume total turnover for a “medium flow” tank, and > 40X for a “high flow” tank.

Then I watched a good video from Vivid Aquariums. In that video, “low flow” is defined at 10-15X turnover, “medium flow” is 15-17X turnover, and “high flow” is 20X turnover. Hmmmmm.

As you can see, this is not an exact science, and I’ve heard of people having much lower flow through a sleepy but thriving refugium and much higher flow, like 100X total tank turnover, in a display tank. In fact, the top photo with this article shows a tank with almost 100X tank turnover, while the 2nd tank photo shows a tank with about 10X tank turnover.

I’m going to stop here, and in Part 2 I’m going to talk about what different types of powerheads have to offer and how to decide what you need. We’ll also hear from some forum members on what the flow is in their tanks.

*I'm doing these calculations in terms of total system volume (display tank + sump, if you have one). You can also reason this through in terms of just the display tank volume, as long as you understand that overall you have more water in your "system" than just the display tank, for purposes of dosing, for example.

References:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5150980/

https://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/features/articles/the-flow-must-go-on

https://reefs.com/2017/10/27/importance-water-movement-reef-aquarium/

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/topics/radicals.html

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/circmarart.htm

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Great article and very timely for me. I’ve been researching return pumps and power heads, trying to decide how much flow is needed for my new 125 gal with a 30 gal sump. After reading this, will be going with the larger pumps in my list.
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Please dont revise we are just talking and exploring ideals we Beleve to be true until proven otherwise. Let the debates begin. Now if we could just get Reef Octopus to chime in and straighten us all out [emoji14]
 

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Kudos to @Seawitch being open-minded! What a great environment to ask questions and learn! Thank you all for your time and passion.

Thanks @Gaspipe. Being accurate is more important to me than being right. I probably would still lean theoretically to a lower flow through the sump versus a faster flow, if all things were equal, just because of noise and microbubbles. But @ca1ore made some valid points, and when you're right, you're right.
 

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Doesn't mean it's correct :D. As I noted, it is an oft perpetuated myth - one of those things that sorta seems like it makes sense, until you really think about it, and then it completely doesn't. I used to argue this over on RC, but since the median experience of a reefer is 2-3 years, probably most people here on R2R weren't around then. The 'problem' lies in fluid dynamics and the way in which a skimmer works. Just because you calibrate your return to exactly match skimmer processing, doesn't mean that all of that volume will magically find its way into the skimmer. Some of the water from your tank will 'miss' the skimmer and go right back up; some of the water processed by the skimmer will go back though a second, or even third, time. There are some things one could do in terms of sump design to improve the percentage of drain water that gets ingested by the skimmer, but I suspect most people have not done that; thus any effort to match is largely pointless. The other problem with the argument is rooted in the assumption that a pass-though skimmer will remove everything it can in just a single pass. This is not the case and quite easily proven. It is also, incidentally, why recirculation skimmers exist. If a skimmer pulled everything out in one pass, recircualtors would be pointless. If folks want to match sump flow with simmer processing, go ahead. If they think it's a better approach, I'm thrilled for them. It just doesn't pass the common sense test.

Flow though the sump, in my view, needs to accomplish two things. Assuming folks have their temperature control equipment in the sump, there must be adequate water exchange to ensure even heating of the display. Then there must be enough flow through the overflow to ensure adequate surface skimming. This can be affected by overflow style as well, but GPH is an important element. If you have surface scum on the surface of your display, you're not running enough exchange. Both of these things can be accomplished with 3-5x display volume per hour. I see no particularly compelling argument for any other drivers of exchange between display and sump - at least, nobody has ever suggested something that I thought to be compelling :).
Great points for discussion. I generally aim for 5-7x through the sump. I figure the more water moving through my various filters, the better. Also, it's worth pointing out that most of us run a variety of filters in the sump including filter socks/floss, skimmer, reactors, etc. If all of those things are continually running, then they're all cleaning the water in the sump, and optimizing turnover of that water with the display is a good thing. :) I'd never heard anyone mention the heating argument before, but that's an absolutely excellent point as well. The more uniform we can keep the temperature between display and sump, the better. In general, I'm of the opinion that your return pump is ultimately only limited by your overflow's capacity for keeping up. :D
 

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The linkage between flow through sump and skimmer processing is faux logic, and an oft perpetuated myth.

I agree - depends on what the sump in your situation is 'designed' to do, IMHO. If you have filter socks, a skimmer, a carbon reactor and a dosing pump. Lets pretend you have a 100 gallon tank and a 40 gallon sump. If you put 10 gallons/hour through the sump - the water coming out will be extremely clean but the flow in the tank would not be adequate. If you put 10,000 gallons/hour through the sump the job the sump is supposed to be doing (i.e. cleaning the water) will be much less efficient - but the flow in the tank will oxygenate the water, etc etc much better than the first example. So - if you just base what is going on sump to tank - I think its impossible to tell what 'flow rate/ratio" is 'best'.

IMHO - the only reason to care about flow to the sump is in relation to the total flow in the tank (i.e. return pump + flow pumps in tank) is the important 'factor'. Whether you call that tank turnover or not - to me (within reason - ie no sand blowing around, etc) the more flow the better.

I have heard for example GSP don't like high flow - yet when I put my gyre 350 10 inches from them they are open and happy. Same with my LPS on the bottom of the tank - where the flow may not be quite so high. The time when I have had problems - is when the flow is 'too low'.
 

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PS - another example - If my return pump broke for some reason - I could easily move my heater from there to the tank - and everything would be fine probably for a long while. If I took my dosing tubing and put that into the main display I could go without my sump indefinitely.

IMHO - the sump is not 'magic'. Its only more water volume in the tank - and a place to hide ugly equipement. (I dont have a refugium btw) - thats another question....
 

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PPS - If I turned off my high flow Gyres for even 24 hours, my guess is there would be huge problems (even if the sump kept going)
 

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