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If I set the frags of zoas on the sand, will they naturally grow in a dome shape like the ones in these pictures, or do they need to grow on something dome shaped? I would like to set several frag on the sand and don't want to end up with a just flat sheet of zoas. Thanks.


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They are grouping and balling up becuase theyve taken up all the space on the disc or plug. Time to move them to rock to let them expand and grow. Once their matt has encrusted onto the rock. U can pull the plugs or discs and sell or swap. Hths
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They may spread out on the sand. You can buy dome plug holders. Place the plug in the dome and they will cover the dome. Remove plug and they will grow where the plug was and now you have something to trade or sell
 

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Or find Doyle Robbins on Facebook (he owns salty concepts (I find it easier to message him directly)

here is the list of prices he gave me when I ordered about a month ago


Frag plug pricing 2021

Plug - 3/4", 1 1/4" with stems
25 - 10.00
60 - 20.00

Rubble
20 - 15.00
50 - 25.00
2" tiles
1-99 = .70 each
100+ = .60 each
3" disk / tile
3" disk w/hole
1.00 each
Domes with plug
5.00 each,
3 for 13.00
Clam Cradles
3.00 each
Rock 1-4 hole
5.00 each,
3 for 12.00
Rock 7 hole
10.00 each
3 for 27.00
Rock 9/10 hole
15.00 each
 
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The answer is yes, they will grow on the sand. It takes time, once the matt touches the sand it will continue to grow, might be slower. You can order a 4" disk or tiles to place them on makes it easier to frag as well
 
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Or find Doyle Robbins on Facebook (he owns salty concepts (I find it easier to message him directly)

here is the list of prices he gave me when I ordered about a month ago


Frag plug pricing 2021

Plug - 3/4", 1 1/4" with stems
25 - 10.00
60 - 20.00

Rubble
20 - 15.00
50 - 25.00
2" tiles
1-99 = .70 each
100+ = .60 each
3" disk / tile
3" disk w/hole
1.00 each
Domes with plug
5.00 each,
3 for 13.00
Clam Cradles
3.00 each
Rock 1-4 hole
5.00 each,
3 for 12.00
Rock 7 hole
10.00 each
3 for 27.00
Rock 9/10 hole
15.00 each
Wow, thanks so much for putting in all of that effort! I really appreciate the help!
 

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As someone who's done this there's a handful of considerations. First, I found it necessary to lift the colonies off the sand bed every 3-4 months or the nitrates and phosphates would start to creep up on me ie old tank syndrome. Admittedly I had a lot of fish in that system. Second, nassarius snails, conchs, etc will disturb stuff even after colonies get above a certain size. This includes shifting the colony, creating trails in the substrate so a side might dip, and re-depositing sand onto your grow out disc. This isn't an issue for most strains but you want to keep an eye so that you don't have substrate (and detritus) getting caught between the polyps (no quicker way to burn out a colony). Thirdly, some z's and p's (specifically the bigger ones) will grow right off the disc and into substrate. On other's its just never gonna happen, but, at the end of the day you're unlikely to have just a 'flat mat' of zoas. Finally, you'll need to consider par. This aquarium was a 220 so 30" inches of water top to bottom led to 80-130par (which is fine for many zoas).

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As someone who's done this there's a handful of considerations. First, I found it necessary to lift the colonies off the sand bed every 3-4 months or the nitrates and phosphates would start to creep up on me ie old tank syndrome. Admittedly I had a lot of fish in that system. Second, nassarius snails, conchs, etc will disturb stuff even after colonies get above a certain size. This includes shifting the colony, creating trails in the substrate so a side might dip, and re-depositing sand onto your grow out disc. This isn't an issue for most strains but you want to keep an eye so that you don't have substrate (and detritus) getting caught between the polyps (no quicker way to burn out a colony). Thirdly, some z's and p's (specifically the bigger ones) will grow right off the disc and into substrate. On other's its just never gonna happen, but, at the end of the day you're unlikely to have just a 'flat mat' of zoas. Finally, you'll need to consider par. This aquarium was a 220 so 30" inches of water top to bottom led to 80-130par (which is fine for many zoas).

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Thanks for the help and pics - I really appreciate it! And that's a lot of zoas!
 
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As someone who's done this there's a handful of considerations. First, I found it necessary to lift the colonies off the sand bed every 3-4 months or the nitrates and phosphates would start to creep up on me ie old tank syndrome. Admittedly I had a lot of fish in that system. Second, nassarius snails, conchs, etc will disturb stuff even after colonies get above a certain size. This includes shifting the colony, creating trails in the substrate so a side might dip, and re-depositing sand onto your grow out disc. This isn't an issue for most strains but you want to keep an eye so that you don't have substrate (and detritus) getting caught between the polyps (no quicker way to burn out a colony). Thirdly, some z's and p's (specifically the bigger ones) will grow right off the disc and into substrate. On other's its just never gonna happen, but, at the end of the day you're unlikely to have just a 'flat mat' of zoas. Finally, you'll need to consider par. This aquarium was a 220 so 30" inches of water top to bottom led to 80-130par (which is fine for many zoas).

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You missed a spot I can still see a little of your sandbed :)
 

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I'm obviously not anywhere near there yet, but can a zoa head just be trimmed off, not fragged off of the colony?
I use trim interchangeably with fragging. If you cut off the head odds are it’ll just die.
 

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