Mini up flow ATS for my 28G nano cube

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So I posted this in the JBJ forum but dosnt look like a whole lot of activity over there.

I have been running a JBJ 28g nano cube for a little over a year now. Along the way I have tried just about every kind of nutrient export out there with the exception of bio pellets. I also tired many of the top brands of nano skimmers (The in chamber not HOB). Nothing really seemed to work that well. If I ran chaeto with the JBJ nano glo fuge light in the basket in the back fuge it somehow always seem to block flow and collect detritus. If I ran chaeto without the basket it would get sucked down into the other chambers away from the light and just die. Actually it always seemed to die given enough time.

The most success I really had was with VERY low feeding and running carbon and GFO in a two little fishies media reactor hanging off the side. This worked well for keeping algae out of my tank but also I belive is responcible for pulling the vibrant colors out of the corals leaving them more of a pastel color rather than the electric colors that got me into coral in the first place.

I then saw the thread posted by Santamonica about the up flow Algae Turf Scrubber and thought it seemed like a good idea. I originally thought it would be great to uses the JBJ nano glow light and all id need is the Knitting mesh, air pump, air stone, and some tubing. It worked ok but still not enough to do away with the GFO all together which is now my goal along with being able to feed allot more. A little more reading about ATSs revealed the warm white leds in the nano glow were probably not well suited for algae growth with an ATS.


First this is the original one I came up with:

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This is what I was getting after 10-14 days not running GFO and was starting to harvest about every 7-10 days. Unfortunately this was not keeping up with the nutrient export and I was starting to see small signs of algae blooming in my display again after about a week. So I started running half the amount of GFO I was before for only half the amount of time and that seemed to balance things out again but the ATS stopped producing nearly as much algae.

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Ultimatelythis is what I should be producing for the amount I would like to be able to feed my corals and fish:

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So this brings me to my build of a mini JBJ ATS light and this is what I came up with. Im very excited to see if I get a significant improvement over the nano glow.


This is the new light I built in hopes of getting the right amount of reds and blue. For this I went to ledgroupbuy.com and got a heat sink measuring 4"x4"x1" and 4 660nm 3w red leds and 1 455nm 3w royal blue. since the combined required voltage drop required was exactly 12 volts I was able to just use a 500mw 12v PC fan power adapter to drive all 5 LEDS. I used a 1/4" rubber gasket cut into strip to use as a standoff attached with 3M windshield/molding adhesive tape and a 1/16" 4"x4" piece of acrylic also attached and sealed with the 3M adhesive tape. Let me just take a minute to say this tape is darn near impossible to get of once it has time to cure. I had the misfortune of having to take it off to drill a couple holes and it took me over two hours to cut it off and completely scrape it away. I guess I don't have to worry about it ever coming apart.

I found a "hang on door" hook at Ace that seemed to be perfect for using as a bracket to just hang the light off the back of the fuge chamber. I'm sure I could have gone with a larger heat sink and found a way to incorporate magnets to attach the light like the JBJ nano glo but I didn't do this because from time to time you need to scrap the inside of the glass where the light shines though to get rid of algae film and coralline that build up reduce the lights ability to shine on the knitting mesh of the ATS. The magent on the nano glo was alway in the way and because my tank it pushed pretty tight again the wall it made for remove the magnet and light very difficult.

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So now I wait. I will run the ATS for the first 5-7 days along with the GFO to see how well it seems to produce then will remove the GFO completely and run for another 5-7 days to measure the difference.
 
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Thanks! for those interested I keep updating this thread to show if and how well it works.
 

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Yes keep us updated!
 
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Ok so I am a little late posting this but there was a mishap with my tank where our house sitter accidentally dumped about 4 tbs of facial cleanser or hand lotion (yes hand lotion) into my tank. Lets just say my little ATS experiment got a little messed up as well as my tank.

Anyway this obviously had some strange effects of the algae growing on this first round but after about 20 days I still harvested a decent amount of algae equivalent to the size of a baseball. This is much better than what the old JBJ nano glow could produce. You'll notice the algae is a wierd brown/whitish green. This is due to the hand lotion going in the tank no doubt because it had been a nice shade of green.

So now that the crisis has been semi averted and I almost have the chemistry back in line I am starting again this time with no GFO running and hopefully with out any other feminine hygiene products coming into the mix. lol

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This is amazing. I have the same tank and would love to do this. I was hoping to find a way to do it without losing the center chamber, but if you have the results I'm hoping for it may be worth it. Keep us updated. I'm making an order with ledgroupbuy soon so I'd like to know if its worth adding in another few 660's and a heatsink.
 

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Great job! I was trying to figure out a way to utilize an ats on my womans aio tank so she can feed her stuff too much. lol. And yes, those lights are terrible they sell for these things. Yours is surely more efficient. That is a nice wad
 
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This is amazing. I have the same tank and would love to do this. I was hoping to find a way to do it without losing the center chamber, but if you have the results I'm hoping for it may be worth it. Keep us updated. I'm making an order with ledgroupbuy soon so I'd like to know if its worth adding in another few 660's and a heatsink.

ledgroupbuy is where I got my stuff as well. I felt the same as you in the beginning with that middle chamber once I decided to switch to an external carbon reactor I simple had no other suitable purpose for the middle chamber anymore. Of all the forms of filtration I have tried on this little tank this has been the best. I'll keep posting results as I go.

Great job! I was trying to figure out a way to utilize an ats on my womans aio tank so she can feed her stuff too much. lol. And yes, those lights are terrible they sell for these things. Yours is surely more efficient. That is a nice wad

Thanks, so far I have been getting away with feeding at least four times what I used to. according to the SantaMonica upflow ATS thread I am running at more than twice the wattage I am supposed to need for this size ATS so I have cut the photo period back a little more from 18 hrs to 16 hrs. Ill see what kind of results this yields over the next couple weeks and post the results.
 
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So it's been about another three weeks. Still getting a ton of growth. Interesting thing though is that now most of the algae is growing everywhere in the fuge except where the light is most concentrated. This can only lead me to believe that the intensity is too high. I haven't figured out what ill do about this yet but I may need add a dimmer or reconfigure the lights.

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With all the algae collect of the sides of the fuge it covers the whole screen in about 1/2" of very dense algae
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Updates? What did you decide to do with the light? Maybe a different power supply rated for lower output? What about using like a 250mA 10V power supply? I didn't see the fV curve on LEDGB's website and I'm too lazy right now to look up the data sheet. But wouldn't something like that or a 12V version work? It would effectively drop the lighting significantly and only cost ~$10
 
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For now Santamonica had suggested I just try cutting the photo period period back to 8 hours. I'm going to try that for three weeks first then decide if I need to change the light.
 

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For now Santamonica had suggested I just try cutting the photo period period back to 8 hours. I'm going to try that for three weeks first then decide if I need to change the light.

okay cool, well keep us updated. Let us know if you start seeing growth in the area you previously had scorched.
 
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Ok so it's been about another three weeks with the lights it backed down to 8 hours. I do have even better growth but still have the bald spots where the light is too intense. I've decided to try something else. I pulled the light off the tank and took some 400 grit sand paper and dulled the plastic cover right over each led a circle about the size of a dime. Hopefull this will diffuse the intensity enough to run the light more hours. So with the the diffuser in place I ramped the photo period back up to 16 hrs. Ill report back again in another three weeks.

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So heres another update of my mini scrubber. Unfortunately even though I had tired to fog the lens with sandpaper the light is still too intense but it produces a ton of algae as is so the questions is should I leave well enough alone or build in a dimmer to truly optimize it?

This is my harvest from this morning.

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do you think some lights like this would work? they are not as bright as many of the lights people are using but these could be submerged with the screen and have lights on both sides pretty easily. I have some left over from my motorcycle and was just tossing the idea around.
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Yes I can see those working. What is the wattage on those? Only thing I wonder, is with them in the tank will algae grow on them and be a pain to clean. I cant imagine it would be that terrible though. I say them give a shot it cant hurt. I assume those are fairly inexpensive?
 
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