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Hey all, I’ve been working on getting my nutrients down in my 90 gal (not sure the size of the sump). This tank is 10+ years old and I’ve started testing recently as I’ve taken over primary care from my father. The nutrients are very high and it struggles to keep coral. Below is a chart of when I started keeping track of these nutrients. They’ve been on the way down and recently slipped back upwards as far as phosphate. Any ideas the help with the nutrients? I’ve got aqua forest phosphate remover that I have a power head directed on in my sump for flow, bright well reef biofuel that I’ve been dosing 5ml per day and my protein skimmer +filter sock combo for filtration. I’ve got quite a bit of live stock
-blue tang
-Tomini tang
-coral beauty
-mocha Midas clown
-six line wrasse
-2 pajama cardinals
-sunburst butterflyfish
-engineer goby
-longnose hawkfish
-convict damsel (I can’t catch to get him out)

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Not sure how often you change your filter socks but they can be "nitrate traps" if not changed regularly. Its a high bioload like you mentioned, and your only filtration (nutrient export) is a skimmer, you might need to increase the nutrient export on your system.
 
Not sure how often you change your filter socks but they can be "nitrate traps" if not changed regularly. Its a high bioload like you mentioned, and your only filtration (nutrient export) is a skimmer, you might need to increase the nutrient export on your system.
I’ve got a Refugium in the sump too but the chaeto isn’t too grown out. Anything else you’d recommend for nutrient export?
 
Phosphate perplexes me to this day, but one day I will win. I use GFO in a reactor to lower mine, I'm just in this waiting game to see it stay lowered, it always goes back up.
I don’t have the room in my sump for a reactor and not sure what to use unfortunately.
 
I’ve got a Refugium in the sump too but the chaeto isn’t too grown out. Anything else you’d recommend for nutrient export?
Unless you're trying to grow/give copepods a home, algae turf scrubbers IMO are a better option than a refugium, and are much more efficient at nutrient export.

What size tank and what model skimmer?
 
I’ve got a Refugium in the sump too but the chaeto isn’t too grown out. Anything else you’d recommend for nutrient export?
Unless you're trying to grow/give copepods a home, algae turf scrubbers IMO are a better option than a refugium, and are much more efficient at nutrient export.

What size tank and what model skimmer?
The tank is 90 gallons. I’m not sure of the sump, it is 2ft long and 16in tall. I have an old reef octopus skimmer that has always produced for me. My refugium is in the section before my filter sock.
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The tank is 90 gallons. I’m not sure of the sump, it is 2ft long and 16in tall. I have an old reef octopus skimmer that has always produced for me. My refugium is in the section before my filter sock.
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Without room for an ats I suppose I'd start trying to figure out why the cheato isn't growing, as that's definitely part of your nutrient export.
 
The tank is 90 gallons. I’m not sure of the sump, it is 2ft long and 16in tall. I have an old reef octopus skimmer that has always produced for me. My refugium is in the section before my filter sock.
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Without room for an ats I suppose I'd start trying to figure out why the cheato isn't growing, as that's definitely part of your nutrient export.
It’s definitely grown I just started with a small amount…guess it’s just a water change and wait for the chaeto to grow as far as nutrient export. I am selling my blue tang and coral beauty soon so that should also help. Only thing is I want a purple tang to replace it😂
 
Hey all, I’ve been working on getting my nutrients down in my 90 gal (not sure the size of the sump). This tank is 10+ years old and I’ve started testing recently as I’ve taken over primary care from my father. The nutrients are very high and it struggles to keep coral.
If I've read correctly, the tank is doing well, but has trouble with coral.....do they die? grow too slowly? Or what kind of struggle?

Corals are part animal and animals love nutrients.

The other part of them is plant (dinoflagellate algae) and it also loves nutrients!

I would look at other factors before you get too crazy on the nutrients. 👍

From the log you posted, those numbers aren't too bad IMO....doesn't look "unkempt" at all. :)

blue tang
-Tomini tang
-coral beauty
-mocha Midas clown
-six line wrasse
-2 pajama cardinals
-sunburst butterflyfish
-engineer goby
-longnose hawkfish
-convict damsel (I can’t catch to get him out)
That's a lot of fish in a 90 (Engineer Goby is such a cool fish!!!!), but if it's been that way a while and it is stable, then it is what it is. Sounds like you are trying thin out the population and that's good.....take your time and dont stress you or the fish out too much in the process.

FYI, nets are not really any good at this. Use something clear like a Lee's catch cup, perhaps using a net to "steer" the fish into the clear container. Much easier than net catching, but still easier said than done. Could be you'll end up needing to drain down the tank and remove some rock though.....cross your fingers but don't hold your breath, as the saying goes.

They’ve been on the way down and recently slipped back upwards as far as phosphate. Any ideas the help with the nutrients? I’ve got aqua forest phosphate remover that I have a power head directed on in my sump for flow, bright well reef biofuel that I’ve been dosing 5ml per day and my protein skimmer +filter sock combo for filtration. I’ve got quite a bit of live stock
Again, I wouldn't sweat the nutrient levels so much. But I will add this...

Make sure you aren't over feeding and that NO food is being wasted, drifting into the rocks and into the filters. Other than that, lowering the bio-load is the only real approach, and as you are finding out that takes time and effort. :) Mostly just try to be patient!

Take it easy with the phosphate remover and bacteria dosing – there's no real problem at hand to be solved, at least not yet.

How's the protein skimmer performing?

What do you have for flow and lighting on the tank? Has it had corals in the past?

My refugium is in the section before my filter sock.
Seems like it's not working. I'd either remove it or rehab it.

It shouldn't really even be necessary if you just want a reef tank, but it's cool if you want a refugium too.

Maybe there's not enough flow or not enough light?
 
Hey all, I’ve been working on getting my nutrients down in my 90 gal (not sure the size of the sump). This tank is 10+ years old and I’ve started testing recently as I’ve taken over primary care from my father. The nutrients are very high and it struggles to keep coral.
If I've read correctly, the tank is doing well, but has trouble with coral.....do they die? grow too slowly? Or what kind of struggle?

Corals are part animal and animals love nutrients.

The other part of them is plant (dinoflagellate algae) and it also loves nutrients!

I would look at other factors before you get too crazy on the nutrients. 👍

From the log you posted, those numbers aren't too bad IMO....doesn't look "unkempt" at all. :)

blue tang
-Tomini tang
-coral beauty
-mocha Midas clown
-six line wrasse
-2 pajama cardinals
-sunburst butterflyfish
-engineer goby
-longnose hawkfish
-convict damsel (I can’t catch to get him out)
That's a lot of fish in a 90 (Engineer Goby is such a cool fish!!!!), but if it's been that way a while and it is stable, then it is what it is. Sounds like you are trying thin out the population and that's good.....take your time and dont stress you or the fish out too much in the process.

FYI, nets are not really any good at this. Use something clear like a Lee's catch cup, perhaps using a net to "steer" the fish into the clear container. Much easier than net catching, but still easier said than done. Could be you'll end up needing to drain down the tank and remove some rock though.....cross your fingers but don't hold your breath, as the saying goes.

They’ve been on the way down and recently slipped back upwards as far as phosphate. Any ideas the help with the nutrients? I’ve got aqua forest phosphate remover that I have a power head directed on in my sump for flow, bright well reef biofuel that I’ve been dosing 5ml per day and my protein skimmer +filter sock combo for filtration. I’ve got quite a bit of live stock
Again, I wouldn't sweat the nutrient levels so much. But I will add this...

Make sure you aren't over feeding and that NO food is being wasted, drifting into the rocks and into the filters. Other than that, lowering the bio-load is the only real approach, and as you are finding out that takes time and effort. :) Mostly just try to be patient!

Take it easy with the phosphate remover and bacteria dosing – there's no real problem at hand to be solved, at least not yet.

How's the protein skimmer performing?

What do you have for flow and lighting on the tank? Has it had corals in the past?

My refugium is in the section before my filter sock.
Seems like it's not working. I'd either remove it or rehab it.

It shouldn't really even be necessary if you just want a reef tank, but it's cool if you want a refugium too.

Maybe there's not enough flow or not enough light?
I’m thinking of trying to rent a par meter from my LFS to test that bc that’s my main thought right now. The corals just slowly die in the tank. I have a 15 gallon that’s packed with coral so I like to think I know what I’m doing, but I can’t seem to find the issue with this tank. My 15 gal is stable at 9-12ppm nitrate. .03-.07 ppm phosphate and 8.8-9.2 alk. It’s a complete mixed reef that does well and grows quick. I would like to move corals to the larger tank but they slowly fade away. I’ve had euphyllia in the 90 gal for 2-3 months then they’d disappear. I know the tank could use some more wave makers but I’m not sure what to get and don’t want to over correct something that isn’t the issue. I got the light off Amazon a while back and I’m worried the par isn’t strong enough for my tank. I pair it with another light that was bought when my dad set up the tank for some extra blue light. I really appreciate you taking the time to try to help!
I’m thinking of getting a Hanna calcium tester as well to test if that could be an issue. Or maybe I send some water for an icp test🤷🏽‍♂️


Here’s my 15 gallon
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