Panic Time! Need Some help! Acropora Spreading Death.

[moosevandyke]

Here's my thing about quarantine and trust. Do you know that guy they call polo reef? I'm gonna guess he's got a 100k in quarantine alone, and now has a swimming pool in his basement full of MEN and AEF. Do I think taking the time to quarantine could help? Absolutely,. Is it full proof? Not by a long shot. There's just way to many cases of people getting them even after extended quarantines.
As for the trust thing, I do trust my guys and if something happened I would feel a lot worse for them then I would for myself. I built this thing in a year and can replace it even quicker if I had to where they have decades poured into the game and livelihood could be at stake. Problem these days is people just aren't being honest. I've met Jason several times and by no means is this an assault on his character but since his name came up we'll use him. Do you think if JF woke up one morning to AEF he would make a psa on here and his website? Not a chance.

Agree 100 percent and great point. But to a new hobbiest who is learning the ropes the vendor should have something stated on site at least those charging premiums. Funny Jason gets mentioned as I have never found a pest on any of his stuff:) I think a lot of people are chucking in the towel early thinking it’s parameters etc from frustration thus hurting the hobby. But it could be as simple as qt and help eliminate some problems. It’s like fish :) I think as people learn we will see a lot of posts like in fish forums about pests just now we will have a coral page forums.

 

[billyocean]

Here it is....snails too.

 

[Dburr1014]

I brought up Jason fox because I saw a pod cast and he explained his procedures.
I see him twice a year at our shows cuz he is sorta local to us. Love his stuff.

 

[Dburr1014]

Agree 100 percent and great point. But to a new hobbiest who is learning the ropes the vendor should have something stated on site at least those charging premiums. Funny Jason gets mentioned as I have never found a pest on any of his stuff:) I think a lot of people are chucking in the towel early thinking it’s parameters etc from frustration thus hurting the hobby. But it could be as simple as qt and help eliminate some problems. It’s like fish :) I think as people learn we will see a lot of posts like in fish forums about pests just now we will have a coral page forums.

Very true.
We create our own problems don't we.

 

[reefcultureco]

Here it is....snails too.

Nice ty for reminding me on that! It is an extreme treatment for sure.

 

[billyocean]

Nice ty for reminding me on that! It is an extreme treatment for sure.

Ty! I forgot about the softies....it takes a villiage..haha

 

[ryshark]

I brought up Jason fox because I saw a pod cast and he explained his procedures.
I see him twice a year at our shows cuz he is sorta local to us. Love his stuff.

I’ve seen him on YouTube showing and talking about his QT tanks and his tanks that hold his mother colonies, they are actually display tanks. Although I’ve never purchased from JF, I’d trust him. But I’d still cut off the base and dip it, just because.

 

[GSPClown94]

I’ve seen him on YouTube showing and talking about his QT tanks and his tanks that hold his mother colonies, they are actually display tanks. Although I’ve never purchased from JF, I’d trust him. But I’d still cut off the base and dip it, just because.

I wonder what he considers a pest because the monti caps I got from him at a local show had tons of flatworms and vermetid snails on the underside of the montis. Obviously not the worst things to deal with but it makes you think what else gets past his quarantine. I don’t want to derail the thread but even these “reputable” vendors seem to have quality control issues when it comes to quarantine. Don’t risk it and quarantine.

 

[Reefering1]

Any updates??

@AKL1950

 

[AKL1950]

@AKL1950

Not on this end. Lights will come on in a few minutes. Tank still has the 6 little fish, shrimps and snails and a few rocks in it. I’ve always procrastinated in making big decision until I’m really sure, but once I decide it’s full throttle to get it done. Mike was great and up to the task.

Will have to wait till Mike chimes in to hear how he faired getting home and getting everything settled in. Pretty sure he’ll have a busy day today. There was a lot of stuff. I couldn’t help but smile last night at what he kept looking at. There was a lot of high end corals, but the one he focused on and kept talking about was my little Green Flash coral. It was quite bright green and yellow and a real fuzz ball. He really liked that one.

 

[Dburr1014]

Not on this end. Lights will come on in a few minutes. Tank still has the 6 little fish, shrimps and snails and a few rocks in it. I’ve always procrastinated in making big decision until I’m really sure, but once I decide it’s full throttle to get it done. Mike was great and up to the task.

Will have to wait till Mike chimes in to hear how he faired getting home and getting everything settled in. Pretty sure he’ll have a busy day today. There was a lot of stuff. I couldn’t help but smile last night at what he kept looking at. There was a lot of high end corals, but the one he focused on and kept talking about was my little Green Flash coral. It was quite bright green and yellow and a real fuzz ball. He really liked that one.

Mike, who's Mike?
Did I miss something?
Sounds like Mike came and took a bunch of stuff. He will dip and QT?

 

[AKL1950]

Mike, who's Mike?
Did I miss something?
Sounds like Mike came and took a bunch of stuff. He will dip and QT?

Sorry, it’s Reeferz1227. Pretty much took everything and yes, has the capability to quarantine everything including all the live rock. I’ll let him tell how he will make it all work. His football now.

 

[Dburr1014]

Sorry, it’s Reeferz1227. Pretty much took everything and yes, has the capability to quarantine everything including all the live rock. I’ll let him tell how he will make it all work. His football now.

Thanks for the update!
Enjoy the grandkids. (I think I read that here)
:)

 

[Dburr1014]

@ReeferZ1227

I know your busy at the moment. Can you keep us all updated on your progress and how you deal with these bugs?

Thanks!

 

[billyocean]

@ReeferZ1227

I know your busy at the moment. Can you keep us all updated on your progress and how you deal with these bugs?

Thanks!

Lol. Posted the treatment somewhere in this thread.

 

[Dburr1014]

Lol. Posted the treatment somewhere in this thread.

That's fine and dandy. I was just wondering how he deals with it. Sometimes people tweak the regiment, it's good to get different perspectives on treatments.

Like for instance the Ivermectin debacle. Many people have done dips or in tank treatments, some have no problems and some have massive problems. It's good to keep the line of communication open on such things to help progress treatment.

 

[billyocean]

That's fine and dandy. I was just wondering how he deals with it. Sometimes people tweak the regiment, it's good to get different perspectives on treatments.

Like for instance the Ivermectin debacle. Many people have done dips or in tank treatments, some have no problems and some have massive problems. It's good to keep the line of communication open on such things to help progress treatment.

The KCl is pretty gentle on them. Having to remove coral from rock and what not is what stresses them most I believe

 

[Reefahholic]

I have to remove some larger colonies from my rocks soon. Been stressing over that as bone cutters will butcher them. I ordered this, and will use a metal blade, but also have a wire saw.

 

[drawman]

The newer aefw isn't like the older aefw. They can rtn a colony overnight and they lay eggs sporadically. It looks like rtn not round patches of bite marks. Not saying it's 100% what you have but it sure does look like them. The scope will tell the tale.

Do you know of any threads on these guys? Just want to keep myself updated!

 

[ReeferZ1227]

@ReeferZ1227

I know your busy at the moment. Can you keep us all updated on your progress and how you deal with these bugs?

Thanks!

@billyocean as well.

Hey just wanted to provide an update on this, since i had committed to do so, things have been out of hand crazy busy.

I didnt leave AKL until near midnight with a 2.5hr drive hhome.we had dipped everything in KCl 2tbsp per gallon for 10-15min, and packed them up in bags and containers. I got home, unpacked all the coolers and insulated boxes into the house, loaded fish in tank, and went to bed. By morning alot of SPS had milky containers/bags.

Long story short, i should have treated with antibiotics, but I handled everything as if it was flatworms. With the wipe out, I had assumed it was bacterial infection. I did see those blue flatworms make a come back a month ago or so and just hit the sticks with KCl dips for a few weeks. I may do a shot of flatworm exit to wrap it all up. Havent seen any signs of them since the first dip, and the tank is growing SPS.

I did not lose a single LPS or soft coral in the transfer. I lost at least 95% of the SPS, before even unpacking. Water had tested good. Perhaps it was a combination of things. I hammered amox and cipro into the tank for a week (500mg 1x per day, 130gal tank) and losses subsided.

Sad story as that was a really incredible SPS tank when i got there, and couldnt believe we were tearing it down. When i woke up the next day and saw the RTN i was pretty crushed.

From an ego perspective im glad they RTNd in the bags and not the tank, as having felt like i killed them in my tank would have really been a miserable blemish on my own reef keeping record.

The only thing I can think is something bacterial in nature, and the mass dipping transferring infection before packaging. Nothing out of the ordinary occured during breakdown. At one point I had written flatworms off entirely due to the extent of RTN with no pests present and every single piece thoroughly dipped. Then i had saw them a month or so later.

There was one anomaly. I went to dip the remaining SPS when the resurgence of blue flatworms occured and there was a few chunks that had a brown goo/paste form underneath the base on them. It was almost like brown jelly. It stuck to the racks. I still have no idea what that was.

Bout all i can provide to conclude this story.