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my lfs got in a shipment of pistrol shrimp that are just awesome! there was one i had my eye on called the peppermint pistol shrimp. idk if thats correct or not but ive been reading that some gobys pair w them and some dont. just thought id see what on here has to say before making those decisions.
 
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idk i was hoping for something on the smaller side but at the same time wouldnt mind a yelloe watchman ‍
 

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idk i was hoping for something on the smaller side but at the same time wouldnt mind a yelloe watchman ‍
i was also wondering when the best time to add these said gobys would be
Well, the sky's basically the limit for these, so I'd say to find a shrimp goby you like and just double check here if you're not sure if they'll pair:
(A. randalli is highly versatile in its pairings; it has been shown to pair with Amblyeleotris spp., Stonogobiops spp., Tomiyamichtys spp., and Cryptocentrus spp. that I've found) - the size difference at pairing is probably a concern, though, so if you try it, I'd suggest a small goby with full-grown shrimp to try and play it safe.
For the best time to add them, pretty much any time should work - a lot of people like to add them at the same time as the shrimp. I'd just suggest you make sure you've taken care of any disease preps you feel are appropriate before adding it to try and avoid any problems that way.
 
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gotcha cool, i didnt know if adding simultanious or by themselves would make a difference. and i was honestly thinking the yellow watchmen but dont they get to big for the burrows?
 

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gotcha cool, i didnt know if adding simultanious or by themselves would make a difference. and i was honestly thinking the yellow watchmen but dont they get to big for the burrows?
Nope. They'll make it as big as they need to in order to be comfortable.
 
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dang, thats pretty cool :eek: and the watchmans are supposed to be peaceful community fish am i right.
 

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dang, thats pretty cool :eek: and the watchmans are supposed to be peaceful community fish am i right.
Mine is 99% peaceful. He will grab snails and drag them in his burrow anytime they get too close, but there’s never been a casualty. I also once watched him grab my Hippo Tang by the face when it got too close, but again - no harm done.
 
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i kinda like that tho, means hell take care of my pistol shrimp. that was gonna lead to my next thing, will the yellow watchman pair w my kind of pistol shrimp? and what would be the success rate on that. bc i dont wanna have them not like each other and now i got this fish w no niche spot.
 

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i kinda like that tho, means hell take care of my pistol shrimp. that was gonna lead to my next thing, will the yellow watchman pair w my kind of pistol shrimp? and what would be the success rate on that. bc i dont wanna have them not like each other and now i got this fish w no niche spot.
Yeah, A. randalli will pair with a yellow watchman goby; success rates are really high from what I've seen, though it sometimes takes a few days for them to pair up.
 
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noiceee. another thing i saw was small communities of high fins, if i added another watchman would they co habitat and share the hole or would they fight
 

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noiceee. another thing i saw was small communities of high fins, if i added another watchman would they co habitat and share the hole or would they fight
You can add a second goby and/or shrimp, but you want to be a bit careful about it - long story short, a breeder box hanging in the tank (allowing the fish to see each other and for chemicals in the water to travel between the DT and the box) for the second goby to wait in for a few days is a good idea:
I can't find the paper where it was discussed, but I remember reading through where someone tested four different methods for introducing/pairing broodstock. 3 of the 4 were pretty effective for getting them to pair while the fourth had frequent aggression.

I only remember two methods off-hand: one method was just dropping them into the same tank; the other was putting them in breeder boxes (or breeder box like setups) where they could see each other and sense the chemicals in the water from each other but not actually interact with each other physically. Dropping them in is the one that often resulted in aggression, so I wouldn't recommend that. I'd introduce them through the breeder box method. In theory, you should be able to tell if they're aggressive/calm and if they're bonded or not within a few days/weeks. (That said, these methods may be more effective on fish that do more swimming and less sitting in a burrow; I'm not sure, but I'd be curious to find out.)

With the shrimp, you can theoretically sex them (though you may need some magnification help - see the quote below) and introduce them to hopefully pair the same way as the fish; but if you're unable to sex them, then you'd basically just get two and skip to the introductions.

How to sex the shrimp according to Bob Fenner (I know this method holds true for Synalpheus spp., but I can't find any verification that it works for Alpheus spp. as well):

"Very hard to distinguish sexes externally... Females are characterized by gonopores with U-shaped slits on the coxae of the third pereopods (first walking legs) while males have oval gonopore openings on the coxae of the fifth pereopods (third or last walking legs"*

*Source:
It's absolutely worth a shot.

They are monogamous and will share a burrow - and not just for the mating season, but permanently (and most Alpheus spp. are this way - see the links at the bottom). I would assume they have two separate sexes (i.e. that they aren't hermaphroditic), but I don't know for sure. Additionally, I'm not sure how to sex the shrimp, but I've heard it's quite difficult to do without taking the shrimp out of the water.

If you're careful with the pairings, you can get two gobies and two shrimp living and breeding in the same burrow:

"When the sexual maturity is reached, normally a pair male-female of gobies shares the same burrow together with a pair of shrimps."
(Quote from the reefs.com article linked below.)

A quick note here on pistol shrimp diet - pistol shrimp do not seem to be predatory, rather they seem to be more opportunistic, omnivorous scavengers (the only "hunting" that seems to take place outside of the burrow is done by the gobies, not the shrimp, and - to my knowledge - no one has ever confirmed if the shrimp actually eat the "prey" brought to them by the gobies; it might be that the goby eats them rather than the shrimp, or the shrimp might eat them as people generally assume):

For examples of the shrimp and goby pairings (both in and out of aquariums), see these links:

 

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