red slimer remover is terrible

[joe0813]

had a decent cyano outbreak that should wouldn't go away. Had red slime remover from a prior tank so said meh I will use it to get rid of it. never again will I use this junk. Almost a month with 2 30% water changes and I still cant use my skimmer. No matter how I have my water level it just overflows the cup within minutes. Anything I can put in here to get this garbage out of here?

 

[Subsea]

Is red slime remover different from ChemiClean?

Does red slime remover have an expiration date?

 

[joe0813]

Is red slime remover different from ChemiClean?

Does red slime remover have an expiration date?

its the same.... I probably should've said chemiclean. It is maybe a year old.

 

[Subsea]

its the same.... I probably should've said chemiclean. It is maybe a year old.

@RandyHolmesFarley
Boyd Chemiclean claims no algecide or Erythromycin succinate. Not sure what Ultralife Red Slime Remover uses.

Joe,
Both products are removed with activated carbon.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I used Chemiclean about a week ago and could skim normally after taking off a couple of gallons from the 250 gallon system. I never did any special water changes, just the usual 1% daily.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Chemiclean is the antibiotic tylosin. Other similar products are probably the same (I know of one that is).

 

[Subsea]

I used Chemiclean about a week ago and could skim normally after taking off a couple of gallons from the 250 gallon system. I never did any special water changes, just the usual 1% daily.

I used chemiclean yesterday. Removed activated carbon. I use air stones and am skimmer-less. Independent of Cyanobacteria, I have used Chemiclean as a regular component of aquarium maintenance.

 

[Fish Fan]

I used chemiclean yesterday. Removed activated carbon. I use air stones and am skimmer-less. Independent of Cyanobacteria, I have used Chemiclean as a regular component of aquarium maintenance.

Question please: What do you use Chemiclean for beside for Cyano?

 

[Subsea]

Chemiclean is the antibiotic tylosin. Other similar products are probably the same (I know of one that is).

When I googled tylosin, initially everything that showed up was involved in veterinary medicine. However, this caught my eye:

“Tylosin is a macrolide antibiotic that works by binding to the 50S ribosomal subunit of bacteria, effectively inhibiting protein synthesis and fighting bacterial infections, particularly against Gram-positive bacteria and mycoplasma.“

I can only imagine that there are many gram positive marine bacteria. Even within different species of Cyanobacteria. I get black Cyanobacteria from Middle Trinity Aquifer that can thrive in reef tank.

Question please: What do you use Chemiclean for beside for Cyano?

There are many differrent bacterial slimes that happen in captive reef tanks. I do experiment with methods. However, I don’t use it for monthly maintenance and I seldom use unless Cyanobacteria is rampant. I consider Cyanobacteria a normal part of a marine ecosystem, everything is a question of balance. Certain strains of Cyanobacteria within coral biomass perform nitrogen fixation.

 

[Fish Fan]

There are many differrent bacterial slimes that happen in captive reef tanks. I do experiment with methods. However, I don’t use it for monthly maintenance and I seldom use unless Cyanobacteria is rampant. I consider Cyanobacteria a normal part of a marine ecosystem, everything is a question of balance. Certain strains of Cyanobacteria within coral biomass perform nitrogen fixation.

Thank you for your reply!

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

When I googled tylosin, initially everything that showed up was involved in veterinary medicine. However, this caught my eye:

“Tylosin is a macrolide antibiotic that works by binding to the 50S ribosomal subunit of bacteria, effectively inhibiting protein synthesis and fighting bacterial infections, particularly against Gram-positive bacteria and mycoplasma.“

I can only imagine that there are many gram positive marine bacteria. Even within different species of Cyanobacteria. I get black Cyanobacteria from Middle Trinity Aquifer that can thrive in reef tank.


There are many differrent bacterial slimes that happen in captive reef tanks. I do experiment with methods. However, I don’t use it for monthly maintenance and I seldom use unless Cyanobacteria is rampant. I consider Cyanobacteria a normal part of a marine ecosystem, everything is a question of balance. Certain strains of Cyanobacteria within coral biomass perform nitrogen fixation.

Yes, it will kill many Gram-positive bacteria. I would not have used it except that other efforts were not working.

 

[Subsea]

Yes, it will kill many Gram-positive bacteria. I would not have used it except that other efforts were not working.

Because inquiring minds want to know, I asked google if gram negative were more lethal:

Yes,
Gram-negative bacteria are generally considered more lethal and clinically dangerous than gram-positive bacteria. Their increased lethality stems from a protective outer membrane containing endotoxins (lipopolysaccharides) that, when released during infection or upon antibiotic treatment, can trigger severe immune responses, intense inflammation, and life-threatening sepsis.

WebMD +3

 

[Fish Fan]

Because inquiring minds want to know, I asked google if gram negative were more lethal:

Yes,
Gram-negative bacteria are generally considered more lethal and clinically dangerous than gram-positive bacteria. Their increased lethality stems from a protective outer membrane containing endotoxins (lipopolysaccharides) that, when released during infection or upon antibiotic treatment, can trigger severe immune responses, intense inflammation, and life-threatening sepsis.

WebMD +3

@Subsea I follow almost all of your posts, and I rarely disagree with with you, but I'm going to offer some friendly push back here

Gram positive vs. gram negative staining is a very simple way to differentiate between large groups of bacteria, and categorizing them into these two sub-categories I'm not sure applies to reefing.

Why are we assuming that gram-negative bacteria are deleterious to a reef tank?

 

[Subsea]

@Subsea I follow almost all of your posts, and I rarely disagree with with you, but I'm going to offer some friendly push back here

Gram positive vs. gram negative staining is a very simple way to differentiate between large groups of bacteria, and categorizing them into these two sub-categories I'm not sure applies to reefing.

Why are we assuming that gram-negative bacteria are deleterious to a reef tank?

Here is a list of common gram negative bacteria

Key Marine Gram-Negative Bacteria

• Vibrio spp.: Common in coastal waters, often associated with fish and shellfish (e.g., V. vulnificus, V. parahaemolyticus).
• Pseudoalteromonas spp.: Frequently isolated from seawater, marine sediments, and on surfaces (e.g., P. haloplanktis).
• Alteromonas spp.: Active in nutrient cycling and degrading organic matter.
• Shewanella spp.: Known for iron reduction and found in deep-sea sediments (e.g., S. putrefaciens).
• Pseudomonas spp.: Highly adaptable, found in various marine habitats and often used in studies of marine microbes.
• Flavobacterium spp.: Part of the CFB phylum, common in aquatic environments.
• Colwellia spp.: Common in cold marine environments, including sea ice and deep-sea sediments (e.g., C. psychrerythraea).
• Idiomarina spp.: Often found in specialized, high-salt, or deep-sea habitats.
• Acinetobacter spp.: Isolated from marine fish and polluted marine environments.
• Psychrobacter spp.: Cold-adapted bacteria frequently found in seafood and cold seawater.
• Aeromonas spp.: Common in coastal and estuarine waters, often pathogenic to fish.
  
  
  PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov) +5

 

[Subsea]

Here is a list of toxic gram negative bacteria in marine enviroment:

• Vibrio vulnificus: Known as a "flesh-eating" bacterium, it causes rapid skin infections, serious wound infections, and fatal bloodstream infections.
• Vibrio parahaemolyticus: Causes acute gastroenteritis from consuming contaminated seafood and wound infections.
• Vibrio anguillarum: A primary pathogen causing hemorrhagic septicemia and high mortality in farmed marine fish.
• Vibrio alginolyticus: Produces extracellular products that are toxic to fish, causing ulcerative skin lesions and systemic infections.
• Vibrio cholerae: Found in coastal waters, producing cholera toxin.
  
  
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2. Aeromonas Species
While often associated with fresh water, they are frequently found in brackish and coastal marine waters and are highly pathogenic to fish.

• Aeromonas salmonicida: Causes furunculosis in salmonid fish, characterized by severe septicemia and ulceration.
• Aeromonas hydrophila: Produces hemolysins and proteases, causing motile aeromonas septicemia (MAS) in fish and gastroenteritis in humans.
• Aeromonas veronii: Associated with hemorrhagic septicemia.
  
  
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3. Pseudoalteromonas Species (Alteromonadaceae)
These are widespread marine bacteria that can establish pathogenic relationships with marine organisms.

PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)

• Pseudoalteromonas piscicida: Known to be toxic and pathogenic.
• Pseudoalteromonas issachenkonii: Equipped with enzymes (alginases, proteases) that cause hemolysis.
• Pseudoalteromonas rubra: Produces prodigiosin and other toxic compounds.
  
  
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4. Shewanella Species
Often isolated from salt water, these are recognized as opportunistic pathogens in humans and marine life, causing bacteremia and septic shock.

PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)

• Shewanella algae: Recognized as the most dangerous Shewanella species for humans, capable of causing sepsis.
• Shewanella putrefaciens: Associated with soft tissue infections and sepsis.

5. Other Pathogenic Gram-Negative Marine Bacteria

• Tenacibaculum maritimum: A filamentous bacteria that causes tenacibaculosis, a disease marked by skin ulcers and fin rot in fish.
• Photobacterium damselae: Produces hemolysins (toxins) causing skin ulcers and septicemia in fish.
• Moritella viscosa: The primary cause of "winter ulcer" in Atlantic salmon.
• Piscirickettsia salmonis: Causes severe rickettsial septicemia in salmon.
• Flavobacterium psychrophilum: Causative agent of coldwater disease (CWD).
• Chryseobacterium spp.: Emerging fish pathogens causing systemic infections.
• Pseudomonas aeruginosa: An opportunistic pathogen producing exotoxin-A, frequently found in polluted marine environments.
  
  
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[Fish Fan]

Here is a list of toxic gram negative bacteria in marine enviroment:

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Those links are not coming through for me, but I don't doubt you

 

[Subsea]

Those links are not coming through for me, but I doubt you

No need for me to obsess on the topic. I am not a micro biologist. However, I find it intriguing.

 

[joe0813]

I used Chemiclean about a week ago and could skim normally after taking off a couple of gallons from the 250 gallon system. I never did any special water changes, just the usual 1% daily.

maybe its because its a newer skimmer. No clue what's going on but I have the valve maxed out and it's still just dumping water. going to do another water change today....

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