That would be very good. I look forward to your responses.However I will try the next days to explain why we donÂ´t like to use acid for the general testing method... also you need to know that there are more methods we us for testing not only one, in some of them we use acid (HNO3).
Ok we are running our lab in a proffesional way Craig, including : fire extinguishers , eye wash , venting .... we use professional liquid handling tools , "suprapure" gardes of acids , Analytical Certified standards for ICP or IC ( NIST conform )... and for sure lab coat, protective eyewear and gloves and all kinds of needed signs and declaretions.... ( safity is very important, and german government is very strict in that point ).That would be very good. I look forward to your responses.
I should be transparent about my objectives. There are three at this point:
1. To be assured that everyone in the chain of custody for these samples observes good lab practices and handles them with customary minimal precautions (lab coat, protective eyewear and gloves.)
Declaration, in a case like that would be realy nice and professional ... but to be honest, we will never turn into a Acid testing Lab or test soils, oils , viniger or blood. we use our Laboratory for QM of our production ( also for some other companys ), QM of our rescources , and for the PRODUCT WATERTEST that we offer to the Publiic for NSW, artificial seawater ( saltmixes ) , Aquariumwater and for error detection reasons somtimes for freshwater ( tapwater or DI...). Also for sure for Research and Development.2. To get Triton to accept acidified samples if they are declared as such.
If we can choose another song, also I would love to go Camping with you both :bigsmile: ( while singing all cameras will need to be turned of ).3. That we all sing kumbaya around the campfire and that no lawyers are mentioned again.
These three things and a good science discussion would make me very happy.
Holy cow, two monster chemists that got me where I am today with reefing. :hail:
I've used Triton's testing services twice, and while I found some of the information interesting I don't feel compelled enough by it to worry about the other, outside of Calcium, Magnesium, Alkalinity, etc parameters (Actively trying to raise or lower it).
I will admit that article above and the discussion here has made me more suspicious about their unknown methods. I hadn't realized he was essentially blocking what I consider important knowledge that would further ensure confidence in his methods. But I guess it shows, having used the service twice, that curiosity got the better of me instead of actual research. :lol:
I would like to say something to your post.
I and many others acount TRITON as the most transparent company in our business , not only that we provenly have the abilitys we claim for reefkeeping and transparently show this, we also allow our costumers to test for the quality of our products by a TEST that we offer to them.
And in TRITON PRODUCTS case you also know what you buy as you can test afterwards fur the supliments.
We donÂ´t claim puting colors of corals in a bottle, and also let you the descission if you would like to dose anthing or not.
You will not find this in the business again.
We are not hiding any relevant informatons for our customers at all.
I am very proud of our work here, that realy leads aquaristik husbandry to another level and on the other side is affordable for everybody.
All the best Ehsan
I don't believe his points were necessarily lost in translation. The above discussion is lost in translation (Chemistry, I am worse at it than German), and I think the confusion comes from others outside the realm of understanding chemistry trying to interpret what is being discussed. In all, I think many of us are doing what I replied to Eshan about... we see that the experts (That we know or are familiar with) are questioning something.. so we hit the pause button and want to know more... but are now hesitant to promote something until all parties are satisfied.I am going to chime in here and there when I feel it necessary to add depth to something Ehsan mentioned. Some of his points are lost through translation. Having spent much time with him both in his lab and on Skype I heard and understand much of what he is saying and can therefore better assist in relaying some of the information to the hobbyist.
When looking at the results I just posted here from a reef hobbyist in the UK, you can see that his water looks quite good compared to the set points of Triton. The warning lamp indicator is there simply as an extra service to provide guidance to the aquarist on what action he or she might want to take to correct their strong deviations. If you look at the data, many of the trace elements tested were either above or below the set point but Triton does not recommend taking action. As Ehsan stated, one could say that 60-70 percent of what Triton is used for is spotting gross problems in people's water. (buildups of certain macro or trace elements).
Sorry- pics were small. I will try uploading larger size