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  1. Ramasule

    Ramasule Valuable Member

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    Hi Turbo,

    I know you rate your scrubbers in terms of cubes per day. I won't be setting up my tank for probably 2 years, due to renos then moving, I just don't want the stress and to stress fish and corals.

    However, I have been acquiring equipment and getting everything ready, at least that way it doesn't appear to hurt my wallet as much.

    Can you break down cubes into gallon size Light-Heavy stocked much like skimmers are rated?

    Thank you,

    Ram
     
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    I would rather that the entire skimmer (and other filtration) industry switched over to the method used by Algae Scrubber folks...but yeah, probably not going to happen!!

    I do have a methodology that is roughed out in my head regarding this question - because it is a common one.

    One of the issues though is that my "formula" tends to work well for my scrubbers, but it doesn't necessarily translate to a DIY scrubber, which is why I haven't developed it into something for general use quite yet.

    Based on experience and feedback, here are some rough "dividing lines"

    L2: good for tanks up to 120 to 150 gallons that are fed ~2 cubes/day, possibly a bit more feeding.

    L4: good for tanks up to 250-300 gallons fed ~4 cubes/day

    L8: tanks up to about 500g fed ~8 cubes/day

    L16: up to 1000g systems fed ~16 cubes/day

    Now given that, there are some adjustment factors that you can take into account.

    The first is other filtration. If you have other "primary" filtration components, these are obviously going to take up some of the filtration load. These can be live rock, skimmer, biopellets or other carbon dosing, filter socks, auto-water-change systems, denitrators, phosphate reactors/GFO, carbon, macro refugiums, you name it.

    So for example, if you have a 200g tank with a big skimmer (200-250g rated) and a biopellet reactor and you feed 4 cubes/day, you might be able to use an L2 because that skimmer and reactor are going to take up a good chunk of the load. But, you could also get an L4 and then the scrubber might take on a more complementary or possibly primary role, or give you room to grow, or serve as a fail-safe system.

    Now let's say you have a moderate sized skimmer (100-150g rated) and no BP reactor, now you likely to need the L4 as the scrubber is going to act more like primary filtration with the skimmer being complementary to the scrubber (but there are some really good 150g rated skimmers also...)

    Another factor is tank turnover rate - this is probably only an issue when you are in the range of 100-300g. If you look at the total flow across the screen in GPH and then divide that by the system volume, you get a tank turnover rate (it's not full-pass turnover, but anyways...). IMO you want this number to be > 1.0. So if an L2 need ~200 GPH and your tank is 200g, that's a TTR=1 which is a bit low, but its' OK. If you are at 250g, then it's TTR=200/250=0.8, while an L4 at 400+ GPH would be TTR=400/250=1.6, much better. Once you get to the 300-400g range, that's when the L4 TTR starts to close on 1.0, but when you jump to the L8 that doesn't change because the unit length is the same, but the screen is 2x as tall so you get a longer contact time per pass.

    Next you have other factors like persistent nutrient problems, a very neglected tank, or major algae problems. These tend to either bump you up a unit in size, but that is a temporary thing so I try to steer people who are in those situations to choose a unit that suits their "ideal" situation rather than view the scrubber as a "problem fixer". A scrubber can be that, in the long term, but in the short term sometimes you just have to do what needs to be done to get on the path to that ideal situation then set yourself up for long term success.

    Does that help?
     
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  3. Ramasule

    Ramasule Valuable Member

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    **** yes!
     
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