I watched a video with @Mike Paletta and he mentioned he doses witch hazel for stn. Hopefully he can chime in on his experience with it
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Saw the same video. Even send an email follow up to American Reef, but haven’t received any answer as of yetI watched a video with @Mike Paletta and he mentioned he doses witch hazel for stn. Hopefully he can chime in on his experience with it
It should be a carbon source albeit lower potency. 14% vs ~40% for vodka. However, the complex organic mixture of hydrocarbon’s could also be a carbon source. I’m not aware of the percent make up of the „active ingredients“ in witch hazel product, but it contains calcium oxalate, gallotannins, saferole, and chemicals found in the essential oil (carvacroal, eugenol). According to the trusted source called Wikipedia.....Are you experiencing any carbon-dosing-related symptoms from the witch hazel?
@Randy Holmes-Farley - T.N. Dickinson's witch hazel contains "Natural Grain Alcohol 14%." Will the alcohol act as a carbon source in the same way vodka would? My knowledge of chemistry is clearly imperfect.
It should be a carbon source albeit lower potency. 14% vs ~40% for vodka. However, the complex organic mixture of hydrocarbon’s could also be a carbon source. I’m not aware of the percent make up of the „active ingredients“ in witch hazel product, but it contains calcium oxalate, gallotannins, saferole, and chemicals found in the essential oil (carvacroal, eugenol). According to the trusted source called Wikipedia.....
It should be a carbon source albeit lower potency. 14% vs ~40% for vodka. However, the complex organic mixture of hydrocarbon’s could also be a carbon source. I’m not aware of the percent make up of the „active ingredients“ in witch hazel product, but it contains calcium oxalate, gallotannins, saferole, and chemicals found in the essential oil (carvacroal, eugenol). According to the trusted source called Wikipedia.....
Most people are dosing a couple of ml of vodka.
Dosing 30ml of 15% is like dosing 11.25ml of 80 proof. It's a huge dose.
No idea - but if we're going to evaporate out the alcohol - we have to figure out what else will evaporate.How can we remove the alcohol from the witch hazel? For instance, will the alcohol evaporate over time if the bottle is left open? Perhaps there's an alcohol free alternative that does not contain the additional ingredients I alluded to above.
Right now this is a bit like "I drank a bottle of penicillin, but it's the echinachea tea that's making me feel better"
Agreed. Undoubtedly, but that's the reality with many things in this hobby. Carbon dosing, worm wood, the live rock/dry rock debate, Zeovit, Interceptor, Levamisole and using kalk paste to kill aptaisa, among other facets of the hobby. It all starts and, in many instances, continues to rely on speculation, pseudoscience and guesses. Granted, I won't use hot sauce or pepper to try and cure Ich, but experimenting with an astringent when coral are receding (and when there are no other obvious reasons that would explain the STN/RTN doesn't sound like a bad experiment).
Well, mostly - but there are some exceptions. Dosing carbon for instance - we understand the method for action there - the sugar induces a Bacterial bloom which also consumes nitrates and phosphates because everything alive does. And when people started carbon dosing in the late 90s, we knew what it would do.
With levamisole and interceptor, we knew they killed similar organisms. There was theory before experiments.
With this stuff, it's "I'm dumping some face cleaner in my tank - because reasons!".
I haven't seen anyone explain why they think witch hazel will effect the bacteria or flaggelates common in rtn. There's nothing.
Well, mostly - but there are some exceptions. Dosing carbon for instance - we understand the method for action there - the sugar induces a Bacterial bloom which also consumes nitrates and phosphates because everything alive does. And when people started carbon dosing in the late 90s, we knew what it would do.
With levamisole and interceptor, we knew they killed similar organisms. There was theory before experiments.
With this stuff, it's "I'm dumping some face cleanser in my tank - because of reasons!".
I haven't seen anyone explain why they think witch hazel will affect the bacteria or flagellates common in rtn. There's nothing.
About to try this to prevent my entire tank from crashing. Does the carbon need to come out?
Apparently not enough reefers have tried this remedy to be able to answer your question. Good luck and please let us know if this worked for you.
I have used witch hazel on a couple of occasions. The first was after moving my tank. The SPS weren’t pleased, which was a shame because they were looking great prior to the move. I dosed the tank directly over the course of several days. The second was when I received three frags that didn’t ship well and smelled foul. Two of the three frags made it (after a dose of witch hazel in a small container of tank water).
The witch hazel appeared to stop the tissue necrosis. I feel like I had better results using it as a dip. (Emphasis added so people don’t freak out.)
I don’t carbon dose so I wasn’t pleased with the mulm-like effect.
That's brutal. What dose are you using?Agree on the dip. I still am cutting out chunks of dead necrotic tissue and skeleton. The difference now is cutting branches verses chucking colonies. Its tough to say if its just the system stabilizing as I am now almost 2 weeks out from a Major alk swing or if the witch hazel is doing anything.
20ml per 100 gallons. When you treated the tank what did you do about the carbon? Did you leave it in? Take it out?That's brutal. What dose are you using?
I legitimately cannot remember, but I have the container I used so I'll check it and circle back. I think I used 10-15 ml for the in-tank treatment (daily) and I have approximately 40-50 gallons of water volume. For the dip, I used a BRS 2-part dosing cup with 5ml of witch hazel and tank water (about half way full). Hardly scientific but in the case of the frags that were dipped, they were STNing for two days. I didn't dip immediately as I was hoping they would stop receding. They didn't stop receding until I dipped them in witch hazel. I regret not taking notes, but when coral are STNing the last thing on my/your mind is to document things.20ml per 100 gallons. When you treated the tank what did you do about the carbon? Did you leave it in? Take it out?