DIY Phosphate Dosing

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Has anyone confirmed this product to be good ? What's the mixture ?
Just to clarify, that stock solution is 1090 ppm phosphate (1.88 x 0.58 g/L or 1.09 g/L or 1,090 mg/L).

Adding 1 ml per liter of tank water will boost phosphate by 1 mg/L.

Adding 1 mL per 100 L of tank water will boost phosphate by 0.01 ppm. :)

It’s food grade, 99.9%. Doubt you’d find a higher grade. Maybe Brightwell NeoPhos if you don’t want to DIY
 

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My chemistry years are way behind me. Can someone confirm a mix ratio? The Trisodium Phosphate (TP) is dry, so is it: 0.58grams of TP to 1L of RO/DO water? Where is the 1.88 number coming from? I have the powder, but need to make the solution.

"Just to clarify, that stock solution is 1090 ppm phosphate (1.88 x 0.58 g/L or 1.09 g/L or 1,090 mg/L).
Adding 1 ml per liter of tank water will boost phosphate by 1 mg/L.
Adding 1 mL per 100 L of tank water will boost phosphate by 0.01 ppm. :)
 

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My chemistry years are way behind me. Can someone confirm a mix ratio? The Trisodium Phosphate (TP) is dry, so is it: 0.58grams of TP to 1L of RO/DO water? Where is the 1.88 number coming from? I have the powder, but need to make the solution.

"Just to clarify, that stock solution is 1090 ppm phosphate (1.88 x 0.58 g/L or 1.09 g/L or 1,090 mg/L).
Adding 1 ml per liter of tank water will boost phosphate by 1 mg/L.
Adding 1 mL per 100 L of tank water will boost phosphate by 0.01 ppm. :)
Phosphate is 58% (57.93 % ) of trisodium phosphate. 1.88 is the grams of TP you will need to achieve about 1090 mg/l PO4 in the solution (1.88x0.58=1.09)
So you need to dissolve 1.88 g of trisodium phosphate to form 1 liter solution with 1090mg/L PO4 in it.
Actually I doubt Randy would give this 1.88 grams because it is not very accurate if you want 1000 mg/l PO4 solution :)
If the TSP is pure and anhydrous it will be 1.726 grams TSP to 1 liter water to form 1000 mg/L solution
(1,726x0.5793= 999 mg/L)

But because food grade TSP is probably partially hydrated I would say there is no big deal to use 1.88 grams per liter
 
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Phosphate is 58% (57.93 % ) of trisodium phosphate. 1.88 is the grams of TP you will need to achieve about 1090 mg/l PO4 in the solution (1.88x0.58=1.09)
So you need to dissolve 1.88 g of trisodium phosphate to form 1 liter solution with 1090mg/L PO4 in it.
Actually I doubt Randy would give this 1.88 grams because it is not very accurate if you want 1000 mg/l PO4 solution :)
If the TSP is pure and anhydrous it will be 1.726 grams TSP to 1 liter water to form 1000 mg/L solution
(1,726x0.5793= 999 mg/L)

But because food grade TSP is probably partially hydrated I would say there is no big deal to use 1.88 grams per liter
Perfect - thank you!
 

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Phosphate is 58% (57.93 % ) of trisodium phosphate. 1.88 is the grams of TP you will need to achieve about 1090 mg/l PO4 in the solution (1.88x0.58=1.09)
So you need to dissolve 1.88 g of trisodium phosphate to form 1 liter solution with 1090mg/L PO4 in it.
Actually I doubt Randy would give this 1.88 grams because it is not very accurate if you want 1000 mg/l PO4 solution :)
If the TSP is pure and anhydrous it will be 1.726 grams TSP to 1 liter water to form 1000 mg/L solution
(1,726x0.5793= 999 mg/L)

But because food grade TSP is probably partially hydrated I would say there is no big deal to use 1.88 grams per liter

lol

I would say that 2 g/L is likely perfectly close enough since tank water volume is imprecise, a potentially large and unknown fraction will bind to rock and sand, and dosing is typically by trial and error. :)
 

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In spirit of most hobbists habits - also buy some chemical (Rowa?) which will extract/absorb the phosphates that you dosed..
 

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lol

I would say that 2 g/L is likely perfectly close enough since tank water volume is imprecise, a potentially large and unknown fraction will bind to rock and sand, and dosing is typically by trial and error. :)
lol
that sounds more like Randy :D

I think is important to know correct numbers, and in the same time to explain why there is no need to be very precise and everybody to decide by themselves which level of accuracy make them comfortable.
 

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I know this is Borat style joke but yes it is important to dose carefully and constantly test
Why have you got ULN to start with? Do you use some chemicals to reduce nutrients in the first place or are simply lacking fish and other live creatures in your tank?
 

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Why have you got ULN to start with? Do you use some chemicals to reduce nutrients in the first place or are simply lacking fish and other live creatures in your tank?
I am not the OP :) sorry
Quite often when aquarium is started with artificial rocks and sand only it could take months before nutrients and namely phosphates stabilize in detectable levels, allowing corals to thrive. During this period of nutrient starvation some pest bacteria and algae take advantage and proliferate. Overfeeding during this period only makes thinks worse IMO because rotting uneaten food is additional reason for pests like cyano to flourish.
And I think the value of fish poo in our thank is overestimated, at least poo of herbivorous/detritovores fish like tangs could be dangerous for corals :) Only corallivore feces were ok for corals but fortunately or not we are not keeping coral eating fish and corals together in our tanks.

 

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I would dose a metaphosphate over TSP if you are trying to get phosphorous to your corals. If just looking to raise backend po4, then TSP is fine.

I would trust food grade anything or whatever Brightwell choose to put in a supplement, since they will not tell you.
 

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Why have you got ULN to start with? Do you use some chemicals to reduce nutrients in the first place or are simply lacking fish and other live creatures in your tank?
It's a bare bottom and and 120Gal with only about 8 fish, Mostly damsels and I have a Scopas tang but he's still small (3 inches). Currently my Resident Purple Pesudochromis kills any new additions like the 6 line wrasse I added..

I do not use any chemicals to reduce anything and I have an old probably relatively inefficient skimmer. It's an old Tunze that is probably undersized for the system.
 

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I would dose a metaphosphate over TSP if you are trying to get phosphorous to your corals. If just looking to raise backend po4, then TSP is fine.
What is "metaphosphate" and why do I want that over TSP?
 

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