Blue line grouper having circles

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My grouper has been rubbing himself against the rocks and he has some weird whitish circles which I've never seen before, if I had to compare it looks like hole in the head but i don't know exactly if i should be concerned

 

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[vetteguy53081]

My grouper has been rubbing himself against the rocks and he has some weird whitish circles which I've never seen before, if I had to compare it looks like hole in the head but i don't know exactly if i should be concerned

Looks to be bacterial or even from some type of worm.
Is fish eating and breathing normal?
If so, I would suggest treating tank with praziPro which is praziquantel. To be safe , dose at 85% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite. If running a skimmer, leave cup off first 24 hrs as skimmer will go nuts from the glycol solution in Prazi

 

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Looks to be bacterial or even from some type of worm.
Is fish eating and breathing normal?
If so, I would suggest treating tank with praziPro which is praziquantel. To be safe , dose at 85% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite. If running a skimmer, leave cup off first 24 hrs as skimmer will go nuts from the glycol solution in Prazi

He is eating and breathing normally sometimes taking big breath's but I think that's usually what groupers do, I'll see if I can get prazi since it is quite expensive and not usually available for me, I also treated the tank with metronidazole since I could readily find them in tablet form dosing about 1400mg since my tank is 40 gallons about 10mg/liter, would also bumping up the temp work for him to breathe faster to take in the med?

 

[vetteguy53081]

He is eating and breathing normally sometimes taking big breath's but I think that's usually what groupers do, I'll see if I can get prazi since it is quite expensive and not usually available for me, I also treated the tank with metronidazole since I could readily find them in tablet form dosing about 1400mg since my tank is 40 gallons about 10mg/liter, would also bumping up the temp work for him to breathe faster to take in the med?

What country are you in?
Big gulps may be yawning associated also with flukes

 

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What country are you in?
Big gulps may be yawning associated also with flukes

India.

Oh I thought that yawnings were normal since my eel does it too Lol but I don't see any problems with the eel

 

[vetteguy53081]

India.

Oh I thought that yawnings were normal since my eel does it too Lol but I don't see any problems with the eel

Eel, that’s normal
For your country- water life myxazin will work like ruby rally pro

 

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Eel, that’s normal
For your country- water life myxazin will work like ruby rally pro

Thank you so much, it's my first time hearing about that medicine, made it so much easier since i now know which medicines I should stock instead of methylene blue Lol

Though myxazin doesn't contain formalin like ruby rally pro is it still as effective?

Can I use it with the eel or do I need to separate the grouper?

Just ordered it and they said it would arrive in about 4 days, is there anyway to sustain the grouper for that long? Or should I use metronidazole as a food soak

 

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It looks as if the infection has progressed, a lot more at that too

 

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I'll just continue to use metronidazole since that seemed to slow down the infection till I get my medicine

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I'll just continue to use metronidazole since that seemed to slow down the infection till I get my medicine

Metronidazole won’t work against flukes. In a fish only aquarium, you do have the option to run the tank at low salinity. Called hyposalinity, it is one of the best treatments for flukes. If this is head and lateral line erosion, that won’t help though.

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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Jay

 

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Metronidazole won’t work against flukes. In a fish only aquarium, you do have the option to run the tank at low salinity. Called hyposalinity, it is one of the best treatments for flukes. If this is head and lateral line erosion, that won’t help though.

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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Jay

Thank you.

I guess I will just set up another tank and do just that since my eel is a sensitive species and there is prone to hunger strikes if I don't manage the salinity properly.

Or should I just do a freshwater dip?
Or is that a last resort?

I do remember using carbon in the tank but i discontinued it suspecting it mightve been lateral line erosion and did some water changes but it still wasn't resolved so I highly doubt that it's (HLLE)

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thank you so much, it's my first time hearing about that medicine, made it so much easier since i now know which medicines I should stock instead of methylene blue Lol

Though myxazin doesn't contain formalin like ruby rally pro is it still as effective?

Can I use it with the eel or do I need to separate the grouper?

Just ordered it and they said it would arrive in about 4 days, is there anyway to sustain the grouper for that long? Or should I use metronidazole as a food soak

It has acriflavine which will help

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thank you.

I guess I will just set up another tank and do just that since my eel is a sensitive species and there is prone to hunger strikes if I don't manage the salinity properly.

Or should I just do a freshwater dip?
Or is that a last resort?

I do remember using carbon in the tank but i discontinued it suspecting it mightve been lateral line erosion and did some water changes but it still wasn't resolved so I highly doubt that it's (HLLE)

Freshwater dips works best as a diagnostic tool, putting the fish back into the same tank will just reinfect them. What eel(s) do you have? Most morays tolerate hypo fine.

Jay

 

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Freshwater dips works best as a diagnostic tool, putting the fish back into the same tank will just reinfect them. What eel(s) do you have? Most morays tolerate hypo fine.

Jay

It's a gymnothorax dovii (fine spotted moray) there's not much information on him but hes a fangtooth and when I shifted tanks with him he just goes on an hunger strike for a week

 

[Jay Hemdal]

It's a gymnothorax dovii (fine spotted moray) there's not much information on him but hes a fangtooth and when I shifted tanks with him he just goes on an hunger strike for a week

I’ve never put one of those through hypo, but all gymnothorax morays handle hunger strikes well if they are in good body condition going in. I’ve had them strike for over four months and start back up again.

Jay

 

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I’ve never put one of those through hypo, but all gymnothorax morays handle hunger strikes well if they are in good body condition going in. I’ve had them strike for over four months and start back up again.

Jay

Ive not had many moray's since i am quite a bit new to saltwater the only ones I have kept is the tess which has rarely/never went on an hunger strike and this one which I think is a more sensitive species (fine spotted moray) since i only have more experience on a tessalata it worries me if a moray goes on an hunger strike for really long since there's information saying that if a fish goes through a hunger strike for too long they digest or take nutrients from the liver? Like for humans when they fast, the body takes fat deposits as glucose

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ive not had many moray's since i am quite a bit new to saltwater the only ones I have kept is the tess which has rarely/never went on an hunger strike and this one which I think is a more sensitive species (fine spotted moray) since i only have more experience on a tessalata it worries me if a moray goes on an hunger strike for really long since there's information saying that if a fish goes through a hunger strike for too long they digest or take nutrients from the liver? Like for humans when they fast, the body takes fat deposits as glucose

Indeed, liver damage is a common result of starvation in fish. Eels are somehow different in that regard though - they routinely go through hunger strikes in captivity with no issues.
Jay