Can an Isopod survive copper?

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Hi all,

A Marine Betta and a lavendar tang have been in QT for almost 3 weeks. 1.6-1.9 has been the range I have seen while testing. I have also done 2 rounds of GC and started a 3rd today. I noticed a spot on the lavender tang about a week ago. It's pretty spazzy in QT so I figured it was likely a scratch. Yesterday I noticed something on the marine bettas fin. I thought maybe it was food or something stuck. Now I am concerned it may actually be a bad isopod. It is extremely hard to get a picture of but here are some of the better ones I got. I didn't think any inverts would survive copper. Also looks to have a sore above his eye? It's so hard to tell with all the spots. As of yesterday I am sitting right at 1.7. (glass is dirty and I fed to get him moving)

Two terrible quality phone videos-

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

You’re best bet would be to catch the fish and manually remove the isopod.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Ok, I could see the mark above his eye in the second video. It’s probably just an injury, but I’d keep an eye on it for signs of infection. I can’t see where you are thinking there is an isopod though... I think it’s the spots lol

Where on his body is it - so I can look closer?

PraziPro sometimes might get them to dislodge, but otherwise as mentioned above - manual removal.

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Ok, I could see the mark above his eye in the second video. It’s probably just an injury, but I’d keep an eye on it for signs of infection. I can’t see where you are thinking there is an isopod though... I think it’s the spots lol

Where on his body is it - so I can look closer?

PraziPro sometimes might get them to dislodge, but otherwise as mentioned above - manual removal.

Lol soo many spots! I am hoping the spot above his eye is just a sore too! It's on the fin which are yellow and equally hard to see. It is so delicate that I am scared to try and pull it off. I am not sure it's an isopod or maybe something else. Surely 3 weeks of copper would have killed it by now right?

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

Lol soo many spots! I am hoping the spot above his eye is just a sore too! It's on the fin which are yellow and equally hard to see. It is so delicate that I am scared to try and pull it off. I am not sure it's an isopod or maybe something else. Surely 3 weeks of copper would have killed it by now right?

Does it look like this? Where did you get the fish? There is another active thread right now with a Tang bought from LA.

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Does it look like this? Where did you get the fish? There is another active thread right now with a Tang bought from LA.

It's similarly shaped as that. It's pretty small. I am kind of wondering if it was on my lavender tang based on the spot it has and then detached and landed on the marine betta. I got them from a LFS but it was at a local frag swap. I will call them today to see where they came from. That picture looks like a limpit/snail almost.

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

It's similarly shaped as that. It's pretty small. I am kind of wondering if it was on my lavender tang based on the spot it has and then detached and landed on the marine betta. I got them from a LFS but it was at a local frag swap. I will call them today to see where they came from. That picture looks like a limpit/snail almost.

I was just wondering because the OP for the above pic has tried Formalin and a FW dip with no luck.

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

I was just wondering because the OP for the above pic has tried Formalin and a FW dip with no luck.

I did a FW dip when I first got them but not since. I also feed focus and GC and Dr. G's caviar. (Tang loves it) I can try another FW dip this weekend too.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Ok, I see it now... not very clearly but I can see where it is.

Are you planning to treat with prazi at all, now that copper is finished? I think I would do the first dose now, and see if that does anything to it...

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Ok, I see it now... not very clearly but I can see where it is.

Are you planning to treat with prazi at all, now that copper is finished? I think I would do the first dose now, and see if that does anything to it...

I am doing 4 weeks of copper. I am on my 3rd round of general cure (metro and prazi right?). :( I have a power head and air line for the added oxygen. Not really sure if I should try another medication or what?

 

[ngoodermuth]

I am doing 4 weeks of copper. I am on my 3rd round of general cure (metro and prazi right?). :( I have a power head and air line for the added oxygen. Not really sure if I should try another medication or what?

Oh gotcha, I should have went back up and re-read the initial post. I missed the part about doing GC. How far apart were the doses?

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Oh gotcha, I should have went back up and re-read the initial post. I missed the part about doing GC. How far apart were the doses?

5 days for first two and I started the 3rd yesterday. (Which was about 7 days from 2nd dose)

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

5 days for first two and I started the 3rd yesterday. (Which was about 7 days from 2nd dose)

I would try Prazipro as it has a higher concentration than GC does.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Have you done a freshwater dip on either fish?

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Have you done a freshwater dip on either fish?

Just originally. I will try another this weekend I also have methylene blue. I could do a bath too. (Not sure it will do much but maybe some relief)

 

[ngoodermuth]

Just originally. I will try another this weekend I also have methylene blue. I could do a bath too. (Not sure it will do much but maybe some relief)

Did you see anything come off during the dip? I don’t know if you’ve seen this video, but shows you what I mean... the little white-ish colored sesame seed shaped things flying around are flukes:

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Did you see anything come off during the dip? I don’t know if you’ve seen this video, but shows you what I mean... the little white-ish colored sesame seed shaped things flying around are flukes:

No I didn't and I used a dark bucket. [emoji45] Argh. Do you think moving them to another QT with same copper levels would have any benefit? It's small but I can tell it's bothering him. I don't think it's big enough to kill him right now but what if there are more that I cannot see b/c of spots eeek. This is by far the coolest fish and I really want to get him healthy and into my DT. #marinebettapleasegetbetter

 

[ngoodermuth]

Well, I think if it’s still attached it will just come right along with him... so it wouldn’t really matter at that point. There are prazi-resistant flukes... but freshwater dip would still likely have some impact, or at the very least you would see others floating around.

I’m almost wondering if it’s not just a spot of lympho... both the spot on the tang and this one were on the fins right? Does it look anything like this?

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/lymphocystis.257461/

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Well, I think if it’s still attached it will just come right along with him... so it wouldn’t really matter at that point. There are prazi-resistant flukes... but freshwater dip would still likely have some impact, or at the very least you would see others floating around.

I’m almost wondering if it’s not just a spot of lympho... both the spot on the tang and this one were on the fins right? Does it look anything like this?

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/lymphocystis.257461/

The spot on tang and MB look like sores, almost like something detached from them. (Tang is almost healed up and so spazzy I cannot get any pictures) but the fin thing is definitely brown [emoji45] hopefully the current treatment has somewhat impacted it and will fall off with dips and a bath.

 

[AMBER NICHOLS]

Okay so my weekend plans got derailed. My Apex went down and I spent all weekend figuring out back ups.

Noticed some antennas hanging out of my tangs mouth and a couple new spots on my Marine Betta. I am now fairly certain it's isopods. Will a fresh water dip get them to detach? Also-why is copper not killing them?