Chromis Damsel almost dying? MANY missing scales on bith sides and NOT uronema (i believe)

[daniel_mourra]

An isolation cage, if large enough would be helpful. The stress of just seeing the other damsels would be minimal.

Jay

Thank you!!!! Yes the cage is big enough… i will proceed and keep you posted!

 

[daniel_mourra]

Hi all! Just an update on the damsel… she is looking better! Still has her damage but has regained color. Thanks for all the advice! Kannaplex is on day 5 today (2 doses, one more to go tomorrow Wednesday) and the water change maybe friday…

would friday be a good time to do a water change or should i leave the kanaplex a bit more time @Jay Hemdal ?

i dosed Kanaplex (9 scoops) per day on the 45gals:
Day 1: dosed Kanaplex 9 scoops
Day 2: Nothing
Day 3: Dosed Kanaplex 9 scoops
Day 4: Nothing (today)
Day 5: Will dose Kanapelz final 9 scoops
Day 6: Nothing
Day 7: Water change…??

i want to do a water change ( a fairly big one 50% maybe) on day 7 (friday) because eventhough damsel is getting alot better… now the FOXFACE has been hiding alot, camouflaging and very very sad.. no visible sings of desease but looks unconfortable and i believe it might be the medicated water maybe?

please see pictures of damsel improvement…. Any advice on foxface? 2 days now very timid.. not being himself.. could it be the water? Parameters are:

PH 7.8
Amonia 0.5
Nitrite 0.5
Nitrate 15
Salinity 1.025

tank is very new…. Not cicled yet…

 

[BeanAnimal]

Glad to hear things are looking better.

 

[MischiefReef]

Ammonia is going to be the big stressor right now. After treatment is over regular water changes or increasing the biological filtration will be your best bet of getting through your main tank’s fallow period. What type of rocks are those? Also, what kind of a hide cave is that in the isolation box? Are you sure it’s SW safe?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi all! Just an update on the damsel… she is looking better! Still has her damage but has regained color. Thanks for all the advice! Kannaplex is on day 5 today (2 doses, one more to go tomorrow Wednesday) and the water change maybe friday…

would friday be a good time to do a water change or should i leave the kanaplex a bit more time @Jay Hemdal ?

i dosed Kanaplex (9 scoops) per day on the 45gals:
Day 1: dosed Kanaplex 9 scoops
Day 2: Nothing
Day 3: Dosed Kanaplex 9 scoops
Day 4: Nothing (today)
Day 5: Will dose Kanapelz final 9 scoops
Day 6: Nothing
Day 7: Water change…??

i want to do a water change ( a fairly big one 50% maybe) on day 7 (friday) because eventhough damsel is getting alot better… now the FOXFACE has been hiding alot, camouflaging and very very sad.. no visible sings of desease but looks unconfortable and i believe it might be the medicated water maybe?

please see pictures of damsel improvement…. Any advice on foxface? 2 days now very timid.. not being himself.. could it be the water? Parameters are:

PH 7.8
Amonia 0.5
Nitrite 0.5
Nitrate 15
Salinity 1.025

tank is very new…. Not cicled yet…

You'll need to control the ammonia better - 0.50 ppm is on the borderline of toxic. Your pH is a bit low, so that is what is keeping your fish from being harmed from it - at this point./ If the ammonia goes up, or if the pH goes up, the toxicity to the fish will increase.

I would not extend the Kanaplex treatment after today, that is just going to harm the beneficial bacteria, causing an greater ammonia rise.

Jay

 

[daniel_mourra]

Ammonia is going to be the big stressor right now. After treatment is over regular water changes or increasing the biological filtration will be your best bet of getting through your main tank’s fallow period. What type of rocks are those? Also, what kind of a hide cave is that in the isolation box? Are you sure it’s SW safe?

Thank you. Yes right now amonia y the biggest enemy i believe…. The rocks are coraline rocks from a beach that went through a process of cleaning (acid and chloride months before using them) i am pretty sure they are very very clean. The hude cave is a plastic cave not sure if its SW safe, never thought about it…. I dont even know how to know…

 

[daniel_mourra]

You'll need to control the ammonia better - 0.50 ppm is on the borderline of toxic. Your pH is a bit low, so that is what is keeping your fish from being harmed from it - at this point./ If the ammonia goes up, or if the pH goes up, the toxicity to the fish will increase.

I would not extend the Kanaplex treatment after today, that is just going to harm the beneficial bacteria, causing an greater ammonia rise.

Jay

Oh….. got it. Unfortunatley i dosed kanaplex today as I read the post AFTER dosing…. It is currently 1am locally so unable to do anithing about it now… should I do a mayor water change in the morning? According to the kanaplex bix its supposed to not harm the beneficial bacteria but at this point every single advice you have guven me has worked 100%….

if the water change is a green light…. How much would you do it? 20%? 50%?
Should i dose beneficial bacteria? (i have seachem stability and red sea nitrobac on hand…) i have seen better results with stability but i am all ears…. @Jay Hemdal

 

[MischiefReef]

Thank you. Yes right now amonia y the biggest enemy i believe…. The rocks are coraline rocks from a beach that went through a process of cleaning (acid and chloride months before using them) i am pretty sure they are very very clean. The hude cave is a plastic cave not sure if its SW safe, never thought about it…. I dont even know how to know…

If it is a plastic cave from a pet store, those are usually made for reptiles or freshwater and are not the best for saltwater tanks. They don’t use marine water resistant paint. Better to stick with natural materials only, at least that’s what I’ve always been told and adhered to.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Oh….. got it. Unfortunatley i dosed kanaplex today as I read the post AFTER dosing…. It is currently 1am locally so unable to do anithing about it now… should I do a mayor water change in the morning? According to the kanaplex bix its supposed to not harm the beneficial bacteria but at this point every single advice you have guven me has worked 100%….

if the water change is a green light…. How much would you do it? 20%? 50%?
Should i dose beneficial bacteria? (i have seachem stability and red sea nitrobac on hand…) i have seen better results with stability but i am all ears…. @Jay Hemdal

Sorry, I meant you should dose the Kanaplex (yesterday) but then, don't extend the dose beyond that.

Jay

 

[daniel_mourra]

Sorry, I meant you should dose the Kanaplex (yesterday) but then, don't extend the dose beyond that.

Jay

Ohhh! Ok! Perfect! In that case we are all good! Kanaplex was dosed for 3 doses (1 every two days) and no more that that… question is… when should i do the water change and “start eliminating” the kanaplex? I did the last dose yesterday april 5…. I am thinking water change april 7? How much would you do it looking to do as much as possible to help with amonia (tank not completly cicled yet) and not stress the fish in the process…. 20%? 30%? 50%? More?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ohhh! Ok! Perfect! In that case we are all good! Kanaplex was dosed for 3 doses (1 every two days) and no more that that… question is… when should i do the water change and “start eliminating” the kanaplex? I did the last dose yesterday april 5…. I am thinking water change april 7? How much would you do it looking to do as much as possible to help with amonia (tank not completly cicled yet) and not stress the fish in the process…. 20%? 30%? 50%? More?

Yes, I would do a water change at the end of the day on 4/7. The amount you need to do depends on the ammonia reading - if the ammonia is zero, it is less critical. If the ammonia is higher than 0.25, you’ll need to do water changes of sufficient volume to manage that….or relay on Amquel to reduce the toxicity of the ammonia to the fish.
Jay

 

[daniel_mourra]

Got it thanks!

 

[daniel_mourra]

Yes, I would do a water change at the end of the day on 4/7. The amount you need to do depends on the ammonia reading - if the ammonia is zero, it is less critical. If the ammonia is higher than 0.25, you’ll need to do water changes of sufficient volume to manage that….or relay on Amquel to reduce the toxicity of the ammonia to the fish.
Jay

@Jay Hemdal emergency!

my amonia levels rised today to 1.5ppm (salifert) and on tuesday they were at 0.5ppm

Nitrite is at 0.25 (salifert) on tuesday they were at 0.5ppm

Nitrate is at 10ppm (salifert) tuesday it was 15ppm…

ph is 7.8 (kind of low)
Temp is 28.2

VERY CONCERNED ON AMMONIA LEVELS… the last bengai cardinal woke up stuck to the very low powered power head (he hadnt been eating quite well)….. rest of the fish seem fine… see pics

should i just forget the water change tomorrow and do it today? Or do you think they might resist till tomorrow so that the kanaplex dosed yesterday has a chance to act the 2 full days?

i can also dose PRIME (seachem) as i do not have AmQuel….. could that work while we wait for water change tomorrow? Or should i just do the water change now?

 

[MischiefReef]

I had a concern you would run into this issue. Please refer to my previous posts on how to increase water volume for making it through the 2 month fallow period.

Edit: I’d suggest water change, and increasing water volume.
Otherwise Amquel may help detoxify the ammonia.

 

[MischiefReef]

The reason I brought up the overstocked 55gallon so early on. I’ve done tank fallow QTs before, even back in the day when it was suggested for almost 3 months and IME, quite often the main challenge to success is not the treatment of the fish, but rather carrying those very weak and ill fish through an additional few months of display tank fallow, usually in a much smaller QT. I found that getting some extra SW containers started at the same time I was doing the medication process allowed me to either do more frequent water changes on a single system or allowed me to put the fish into multiple containers/systems to spread out the bio load. Hope that helps.

 

[daniel_mourra]

I had a concern you would run into this issue. Please refer to my previous posts on how to increase water volume for making it through the 2 month fallow period.

Edit: I’d suggest water change, and increasing water volume.
Otherwise Amquel may help detoxify the ammonia.

I unfortunatley live in Honduras (central america) therefore Unable to do amquel as no LFS sells it here..

unable to do the brute cans as no hone depot here and absolutley no return policy as in the USA in my country and to make matters worse we are in a local 5 day holiday were everything is closed until tuesday…

i am panicking….

 

[MischiefReef]

I unfortunatley live in Honduras (central america) therefore Unable to do amquel as no LFS sells it here..

unable to do the brute cans as no hone depot here and absolutley no return policy as in the USA in my country and to make matters worse we are in a local 5 day holiday were everything is closed until tuesday…

i am panicking….

Don’t panic, I just noticed you said you have prime. Dose that, from my understanding it should help bind up some of the ammonia.

If nothing else available, I would suggest making your water change today as 1.5ammonia is definitely on the toxic side of things. Please wait for confirmation from @Jay Hemdal though as I don’t want to screw up the course of medication treatment.

 

[MischiefReef]

I unfortunatley live in Honduras (central america) therefore Unable to do amquel as no LFS sells it here..

unable to do the brute cans as no hone depot here and absolutley no return policy as in the USA in my country and to make matters worse we are in a local 5 day holiday were everything is closed until tuesday…

i am panicking….

It is not ideal, but do you have a large (clean) garbage bag that you can line a big garbage bin with, you can then convert that bin into a temporary holding tank.

 

[C4ctus99]

@vetteguy53081 may be able to respond sooner than Jay.

Also, ammonia will probably kill the fish faster than not finishing the kanaplex

 

[daniel_mourra]

Ok…. I will wait 1 hour MAX to see if @Jay Hemdal or @vetteguy53081 give the green light in PRIME (only thing i have right now…..)

if no response i will just add the prime and hope for the best