Cyanobacteria and lit candles

And just to throw it out there, ChatGPT gets a lot of things wrong about reefer, so I wouldn't blindly trust it for aquarium advice 🙂
 
revhtree is a good guy and founder of this forum. I doubt he was purposefully spreading false information. Either there is something to it and he will be able to explain, or he was misguided by anecdotal evidence which happens to the best of us, if not everybody from time to time.

I can assure you the guide was written in good faith 😊
^This 100%

@revhtree is there a link between cyano and scented candles?
 
So are lit candles a source of Cyanobacteria or not as claimed they are in the supreme guide?
Welcome to reality. Use discretion when reading articles.

Know this, Cyanobacteria are even in the biomass of coral. SO, the terminology looking for the source is meaningless. Many things contribute to CYANOBACTERIA plague but they are not the source.
 
I frequently light candles, but I don't get cyano, so I'll never believe that.

But its funny that no one else noticed this all the times this thread is quoted lol
 
Welcome to reality. Use discretion when reading articles.

Know this, Cyanobacteria are even in the biomass of coral. SO, the terminology looking for the source is meaningless. Many things contribute to CYANOBACTERIA plague but they are not the source.
I expect accuracy and precision in reading articles that I have been referred to by others in this forum and not have to “…guess…” what information can be trusted as accurate than have to use “…discretion…”!
 
I frequently light candles, but I don't get cyano, so I'll never believe that.

But its funny that no one else noticed this all the times this thread is quoted lol
Well, are those candles scented?

Maybe the scent of choice is also important 😂
Maybe reefers will be restricted to vanilla and lilac 😂
 
I’m not sure I can trust anything posted in this forum now as trustworthy, accurate and precise. Disappointing.
 
I expect accuracy and precision in reading articles that I have been referred to by others in this forum and not have to “…guess…” what information can be trusted as accurate than have to use “…discretion…”!
Expect what you want. Deal with reality.
 
Well, are those candles scented?

Maybe the scent of choice is also important 😂
Maybe reefers will be restricted to vanilla and lilac 😂
@Mr. Mojo Rising I'd like to know too, are you using scented candles? There's definitely some candles that are fine, we even use some of those wax melts without issue. But, I've read bad things about some of the candles from like Bath and Body works as well as those essential oils. We won't use any of those even around our cats and dogs.

Thanks!
 
I’m not sure I can trust anything posted in this forum now as trustworthy, accurate and precise. Disappointing.
It's a forum... Of course you cannot simply take everything by heart. The community consists of newcomers, experienced reef keepers, and highly educated and specialized experts. Everyone is trying to help as best as they can, and sometimes things turn out to be false or at least controversial.

This applies to scientific research as well. A single article is worthless until multiple people draw the same conclusions over a long period of time. Overall I have to say R2R is still the best available source.

Also @ all: please let's keep it civil
 
I’m not sure I can trust anything posted in this forum now as trustworthy, accurate and precise. Disappointing.
R2R is the best place to get accurate information about reefing anywhere, hands down. We have long-time hobbyists, industry experts and legit scientists contributing to this forum daily.

Nothing in that article is inaccurate; no one really knows what causes cyano to explode sometimes, so it very well could be a candle. We don't know because the author has not replied yet. And, the take home is still valid - don't burn candles near your tank; there's nothing inaccurate about this statement.

I'm sorry, but if a tiny discrepancy like that is going to upset you so much, then this probably isn't the hobby for you. This hobby is FILLED with controversy. There's almost never one "right" way to do something, typically there are many viable solutions, and what works for one person may not work for another. This leads to bias which can lead to controversy. That's basically reefing in a nutshell 🙃

I hope that helps!
 
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I’m not sure I can trust anything posted in this forum now as trustworthy, accurate and precise. Disappointing.
Take a step back. Use some common sense. Is 'Cyanobacteria' an ingredient in candles? No - but there are other organics/chemicals/wax used that are easily vaporized and have the capability to do weird things in a reef ecosystem. Nobody is trying to lead you astray. Use your brain before making that kind of accusation.

EDIT - Either this is a troll or a complete meathead. Please ban this fool.
 
@Mr. Mojo Rising I'd like to know too, are you using scented candles? There's definitely some candles that are fine, we even use some of those wax melts without issue. But, I've read bad things about some of the candles from like Bath and Body works as well as those essential oils. We won't use any of those even around our cats and dogs.

Thanks!
Regular candles, usually tea lights
 
BTW - we use a ton of Yankee candles in/around our tank which is in the main living area. Our kitchen is also open to the living room with the tank which I have often wondered if any of those organics got into the tank.
 
So is this in an error in the Guide? It’s confusing for a beginner needing to know accurate facts before embarking on an expensive hobby?

From ChatGPT…

No. Lit candles do not have anything to do with cyanobacteria.


There is no known biological or chemical connection between a burning candle and cyanobacteria.


A lit candle:


  • Burns wax (such as paraffin, soy, or beeswax).
  • Produces heat, light, carbon dioxide, water vapor, and small amounts of combustion by-products (such as soot if the flame is smoky).

Cyanobacteria:


  • Are living photosynthetic bacteria.
  • Need water or moisture to survive and grow.
  • Are found in environments such as lakes, ponds, rivers, oceans, damp soil, and wet surfaces.
  • Do not originate from combustion or burning.

If you came across a claim linking candles and cyanobacteria, it is likely based on a misunderstanding or confusion with another topic. If you can tell me where you heard or read it, I can help explain what it may have been referring to.
I had to ask a million questions and clarify what I meant to chat GPT but this is what it gave me as a response

Can candles contaminate a reef tank? Yes. Scented candles, air fresheners, aerosol sprays, incense, and essential oil diffusers all release volatile organic compounds (VOCs), fragrances, and in some cases soot particles into the air. Protein skimmers are incredibly efficient air scrubbers—they pull thousands of liters of room air through the aquarium every day. That means airborne chemicals can absolutely end up dissolved in aquarium water.
This has been documented with:
Perfumes and colognes causing skimmer overflows.
Aerosol cleaners poisoning reef tanks.
Cooking fumes affecting sensitive corals.
Smoke from cigarettes or fires introducing contaminants.
But can they increase dissolved organic carbon (DOC)?
Probably not to a biologically significant extent.
DOC in reef tanks is normally measured in milligrams per liter. The amount of carbon-containing compounds from an occasional candle that actually dissolves into hundreds of liters of water is tiny compared with the DOC produced by:
fish waste,
coral mucus,
uneaten food,
bacterial exudates,
decaying algae.
A candle might introduce trace organic compounds, but it's unlikely to raise DOC enough to drive a cyanobacteria bloom by itself.
Could they still trigger cyanobacteria indirectly? Possibly.
Some possibilities include:
Certain fragrance compounds could selectively inhibit beneficial microbes while cyanobacteria tolerate them.
Airborne soot or metals from poor-quality candles could stress corals or beneficial bacteria.
If the tank is already on the edge of instability, another stressor could allow cyano to gain the upper hand.
In that case, the candle wouldn't be "feeding" cyano so much as changing the microbial balance.
What do I think?
I think the article probably confused correlation with causation.
If someone lights candles every evening in a closed room and their skimmer is pulling that air continuously, it's plausible that airborne contaminants enter the aquarium. However, claiming that candles increase DOC enough to fuel cyanobacteria isn't well supported by the evidence we have.
In my opinion, if two otherwise identical reef tanks were run side by side—one exposed to scented candles and one not—I would expect:
perhaps a slight increase in contaminants in the exposed tank,
maybe more coral irritation if exposure was heavy,
but not a major increase in DOC or cyanobacteria solely because of the candles.
For most reef keepers, nutrients (particularly phosphate availability), excess organics from feeding, low flow, detritus accumulation, and shifts in microbial communities remain much more likely causes of cyano than a scented candle.

Actually a pretty good answer from the AI for once.
 
So are lit candles a source of Cyanobacteria or not as claimed they are in the supreme guide?
They are, annectodotally if you live in "The Area" according to the author.

This is the number one cause for Cyanobacteria in my area

Without reading the references, and comparing to AI (which is always a hoot!) it's clear that this vague sentence and claim are likely in error, perhaps in editing during publication, but not the end of the Aquaruim and Reef Hobby for people who otherwise know how to check sources, read for information, and evaluate claims.

Lots of people use candles to ignite flatulance, and I believe this thread is amazingly similar in some ways?

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