Dinos?

reeferfoxx · Jun 15, 2016

reeferfoxx · Jun 15, 2016

bump..

brandon429 · Jun 15, 2016

No I'll say a firm no. Chrysophytes first guess but that's too early morph to be sure. I'll call solid not dinos based on visual details.

reeferfoxx · Jun 15, 2016

It is easily removed with a toothbrush but it keeps coming back. Also forming clumps of mulm on the sandbed. Not sure what the cause is, nitrates and phosphates have been undetectable for some time now. Just seemed like it went from diatoms right in to this.

brandon429 · Jun 15, 2016

I classify what you have not from knowing what it is but from seeing it in about 100 peroxide tank challenges posted, it's unique morph seen in pics we collected. No clear green and brown, hallmark photosynthetic pigments, at least as stand out coloring. Having a tint or hue isn't the same, the hydrodynamic profile too. When we see those growths matured they are whorled and dense but never tall and strandy or waving in the water like dinos

The bubbles seem to be a shared character and if they have light photosynthetic abilities that'd explain it, or nitrogen who knows. Google pics of chrysophytes as mature tank issues see if that's at least close guess. I'd prefer what you have to dinos for sure. I could zap those w peroxide and be done easily (but the lysmsta is sensitive)

A natural mode exists too, they aren't tank wreckers usually. Lift out rocks and hand rinse them all with either fresh or sw it doesn't matter at this specific stage. That's not an anti bacterial move its a power rinse option, but to leave it to go away naturally often works too. Or just rinse and scrub w saltwater. The freshwater helps shock the offender, a bit.

Diesel · Jun 15, 2016

My guess would be almost 100% diatoms, with lots of light the will produce oxygen bubbles as we talking algae here.

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reeferfoxx · Jun 15, 2016

brandon429 said:
I classify what you have not from knowing what it is but from seeing it in about 100 peroxide tank challenges posted, it's unique morph seen in pics we collected. No clear green and brown, hallmark photosynthetic pigments, at least as stand out coloring. Having a tint or hue isn't the same, the hydrodynamic profile too. When we see those growths matured they are whorled and dense but never tall and strandy or waving in the water like dinos

The bubbles seem to be a shared character and if they have light photosynthetic abilities that'd explain it, or nitrogen who knows. Google pics of chrysophytes as mature tank issues see if that's at least close guess. I'd prefer what you have to dinos for sure. I could zap those w peroxide and be done easily (but the lysmsta is sensitive)

A natural mode exists too, they aren't tank wreckers usually. Lift out rocks and hand rinse them all with either fresh or sw it doesn't matter at this specific stage. That's not an anti bacterial move its a power rinse option, but to leave it to go away naturally often works too. Or just rinse and scrub w saltwater. The freshwater helps shock the offender, a bit.

:rolleyes: You just had to mention movement, huh? LOL Here 'ya go...

Diesel · Jun 15, 2016

I stick with diatoms.
How long is this tank running?
What are your test results?

reeferfoxx · Jun 15, 2016

Diesel said:
I stick with diatoms.
How long is this tank running?
What are your test results?

Tank started Feb. 1st or 5.5 months ago

SG - 1.026
pH - 8.2
Alk - 7
Cal - 410
Mag - 1390
PO4 - 0.00
NO3 - 0

Diesel · Jun 15, 2016

reeferfoxx said:
Tank started Feb. 1st or 5.5 months ago

SG - 1.026
pH - 8.2
Alk - 7
Cal - 410
Mag - 1390
PO4 - 0.00
NO3 - 0

Increase Po4 till about 0.04 for now and No3 close to 2ppm.
Dose some bacteria, I use aquaforest pro-s
later we will correct the ALK a bit.

bubbaque · Jun 15, 2016

@Diesel why increase po4 to 0.04? I always thought close to 0.0 was best but you want some nitrate. The reason I ask is because I have tons of light in my tank and my corals are paling even with 2ppm nitrate (dosed to raise it) but can't get phosphate over .01

Sorry I know this is off topic.

brandon429 · Jun 15, 2016

I still think not dinos, good details. Post up a dinos vid off youtube there are diffs

reeferfoxx · Jun 16, 2016

bubbaque said:
@Diesel why increase po4 to 0.04? I always thought close to 0.0 was best but you want some nitrate. The reason I ask is because I have tons of light in my tank and my corals are paling even with 2ppm nitrate (dosed to raise it) but can't get phosphate over .01

Sorry I know this is off topic.

I kind of agree with you. My salt mix Alk is 7, and for that I want lower nutrients. If i were to raise nutrients I would want alk around 8-9dkh. A couple months ago my PO4 was 0.02 and I was showing cyano. I do agree that i need to raise NO3 which I can easily do that with limited water changes and increased feeding. However, all that said I eventually will have a dominant SPS tank, and I don't want to go overboard with nutrients. I think I'm just trying to rush things while keeping low nutrients. If it were diatoms, seems like yeast would be an easy fix. And if it were Chrysophytes, then I just need to wait it out.

twilliard · Jun 16, 2016

I think a microscope would clear this question up quickly :)

reeferfoxx · Jun 16, 2016

twilliard said:
I think a microscope would clear this question up quickly :)

I wouldn't mind sending you some samples. What is the preferred method?

twilliard · Jun 16, 2016

Are you able to collect some of this in a ziplock with about a cup of water?
If so I will PM you the details :)

chrysophytes are also a family of flagella

reeferfoxx · Jun 16, 2016

twilliard said:
Are you able to collect some of this in a ziplock with about a cup of water?
If so I will PM you the details :)

chrysophytes are also a family of flagella

Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem! Send me some info. :)

twilliard · Jun 16, 2016

It will be a pleasure to help you identify this :)

reeferfoxx · Jun 20, 2016

Thanks to @twilliard, it is safe to say its not dinos or diatoms and most likely not chrysophytes. Although i wish it were one of the three. It appears to be unidentified at the moment. Even at x2500 zoom, it is still hard to see but did show small green single celled somethings multiplying. I think we will be moving this information to a more indepth thread with images to boot. Anyway thank you everyone for trying to help :)