Dosing bleach

[Freenow54]

What kind of algea are you getting on the glass? Catching it seems like a wasted effort to me unless it bryopsis or hair algea.

Niether. I catch , and remove it because I am not a chemist for one . It seems to me that it would raise the nitrate level .

 

[56longroof]

Niether. I catch , and remove it because I am not a chemist for one . It seems to me that it would raise the nitrate level .

Good enough for me. I was just wondering.

 

[Paul B]

I doubt one drop of bleach in 15 gallons of water would do anything as it would dissipate in seconds. Having said that, (and it is a guess) I used bleach many times in my tank (without fish in it) to sterilize the water, then I would re use it,

I also used to treat my seawater (from the sea) with Regular Clorox, after I collected it to sterilize it.

I didn't invent that, it was Robert Straughn, "The Father of Salt Water Fish Keeping".

At the time, when the hobby started in the US in 1971 we were afraid of parasites and didn't know much about them and we lost many fish to them. Since then, I have the opposite thinking and don't care about parasites now.

He stated that the first squid eggs were hatched out in bleach treated water.

After treating the water with one Cup of Regular Clorox to 50 gallons of sea water, I let the water sit for a week, then added "Chlorine Remover" and used that water.

I did that for probably 5 years and never had any problems. I think it's in my old log book someplace.

If you have a tank filled with hair algae, aiptasia, ich or Godzilla larvae, Clorox Treatment would definately work although I realize no one here, besides me would do that.

 

[Malcontent]

One of the first steps in seawater desalination is chlorination followed by dechlorination (to protect the RO membranes) then chlorination again before distribution.

 

[Jposch]

I have added bleach before to my tank to try it.


No, I won't . When empirical observations don't match theory you learn that the topic isn't well enough understood to draw conclusions and the observations might be misguiding you.

We have so much post hoc attributions fueled by confirmation bias in this hobby, I don't think it is helping the community to keep adding more anecdotal "evidence" without proper controls and means of measurements. The amount of pseudoscience in this hobby is going rampant and I feel like wording things less authoritative when something isn't fully settled yet would help the community a lot.


Trace element availability will also be impacted by the higher oxidation state besides the previously mentioned chloramines and also some unwanted reactions with bromide. So I'm not sure iodate is the only major caveat.

I'm sure we will disagree on many of the points I have made, but as you can see I'm neither saying "never dose bleach" nor am I saying "bleach is beneficial". I feel like an honest "we don't know a lot about the stuff that is going on and it could be both" is a much healthier approach here until it's actually settled.

I'm glad post hoc 1 year keeping an aquarium has allowed you to garner all knowledge and experience on the subject.

 

[Jposch]

I doubt one drop of bleach in 15 gallons of water would do anything as it would dissipate in seconds. Having said that, (and it is a guess) I used bleach many times in my tank (without fish in it) to sterilize the water, then I would re use it,

I also used to treat my seawater (from the sea) with Regular Clorox, after I collected it to sterilize it.

I didn't invent that, it was Robert Straughn, "The Father of Salt Water Fish Keeping".

At the time, when the hobby started in the US in 1971 we were afraid of parasites and didn't know much about them and we lost many fish to them. Since then, I have the opposite thinking and don't care about parasites now.

He stated that the first squid eggs were hatched out in bleach treated water.

After treating the water with one Cup of Regular Clorox to 50 gallons of sea water, I let the water sit for a week, then added "Chlorine Remover" and used that water.

I did that for probably 5 years and never had any problems. I think it's in my old log book someplace.

If you have a tank filled with hair algae, aiptasia, ich or Godzilla larvae, Clorox Treatment would definately work although I realize no one here, besides me would do that.

so many also bleach filter socks and put them back in use without 100% de-chlorination as well. it's just arm chair experts postulating their thoughts with ZERO authority other than what they have christened upon themselves after watching 100 hours of infomercials from BRS.

 

[EnterName]

I have added bleach before to my tank to try it.


No, I won't . When empirical observations don't match theory you learn that the topic isn't well enough understood to draw conclusions and the observations might be misguiding you.

We have so much post hoc attributions fueled by confirmation bias in this hobby, I don't think it is helping the community to keep adding more anecdotal "evidence" without proper controls and means of measurements. The amount of pseudoscience in this hobby is going rampant and I feel like wording things less authoritative when something isn't fully settled yet would help the community a lot.


Trace element availability will also be impacted by the higher oxidation state besides the previously mentioned chloramines and also some unwanted reactions with bromide. So I'm not sure iodate is the only major caveat.

I'm sure we will disagree on many of the points I have made, but as you can see I'm neither saying "never dose bleach" nor am I saying "bleach is beneficial". I feel like an honest "we don't know a lot about the stuff that is going on and it could be both" is a much healthier approach here until it's actually settled.

I'm glad post hoc 1 year keeping an aquarium has allowed you to garner all knowledge and experience on the subject.

You can have a reef tank without having a R2R account. I wouldn't recommend it because R2R is great and I should have created an account earlier, but my account age doesn't say anything about my experience with reef tanks or the amount of research, experiments, and reading that I invested into this hobby over the years.

Either way, I don't think tank age or "experience" alone is really what determines a reefers knowledge and trying to use it to discredit someone instead of addressing the arguments isn't really the kind of discussion I value in this community, so let's enjoy R2R instead of fighting and just agree to disagree.

 

[Paul B]

so many also bleach filter socks and put them back in use without 100% de-chlorination as well.

I built a couple of these filters and they use a pleated filter cartridge. I also clean them in bleach and just rinse them off. No problems in years so far. I don't even have de-chlorination tablets.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Literally, just try it. Stop this theoretic on papre crap. Take 1ml and add to a 300L aquarium. Use a syringe and squirt down thw skimmer neck. If the skimmer begins to pull alot more gunk? Bleach may be a good choice. Not "go crazy," but as if the skimmer is 2x as powerful. If nothing happens, then probably no point in dosing bleach.
There is such a high organic load in aquaria, a few ml of 6% sodium hypochlotite is insignificant.
I specifically said, ozone, bleach and peroxide are all unique oxidizers.
I dont need someone who's has 2 simple aquariums thier entire career to verify what I've actually done myself. The only major caveat is not unique ro bleach. It is the conversion of iodine to iodate. Just don't dose a high iodine trace element supplemenI

I stand by what I said it will do, which it absolutely will do, whether you believe it or not. I said I would not do it because there are better ways to accomplish the same thing. That does not mean you couldn’t see a benefit.

Understanding what you are doing is not crap.