Eschopps RS-100 hard plumb

[Alvanck]

Hi all, I have a 90 gallon, with the aquarium frisson in the light corner. A standard bulkhead secured to the tank with a locking nut. Curious if anybody has the same setup and that is hard plumbed. Was going to try and get rid of the 3 foot flex hose and hard plumb it. I’m newer to plumbing so wanted to see some plumbing on that sump so I know what to buy. I believe they said it’s plumbed to 1 inch PVC however trying to figure out how to secure that to this bulk head.

 

[Fish Fan]

Mabey a pic or two of your current setup would help?

 

[Alvanck]

Mabey a pic or two of your current setup would help?

The Hose that came with the sump is way to long as it’s corner plumbed

 

[Fish Fan]

That's an easy swap for a new bulkhead that would be sized for hard plumbing.

However, if this is a running tank, that may be challenging

@UncommonSense or @BeanAnimal may have further advice

 

[Alvanck]

That's an easy swap for a new bulkhead that would be sized for hard plumbing.

However, if this is a running tank, that may be challenging

@UncommonSense or @BeanAnimal may have further advice

Can I just cut the hose that came with it to size? I know the Eschopps have the flat ends on each side, but it’s 3 feet and as you can tell there is no need for 3 feet. I would cut the end that attaches to the bulk head but since it will be rigid now I don’t know how well a pipe would work to control leaks. This is just the drain line…

 

[Fish Fan]

Can I just cut the hose that came with it to size? I know the Eschopps have the flat ends on each side, but it’s 3 feet and as you can tell there is no need for 3 feet. I would cut the end that attaches to the bulk head but since it will be rigid now I don’t know how well a pipe would work to control leaks. This is just the drain line…

So, those tanks were setup from the manufacturer to have one "durso" styled drain pipe (the larger) and the smaller bulkhead would be for your return, which is what it looks like it's setup for right now. Don't do this!

I'd rather let the two members I tagged above answer these questions, they are both more knowledgeable than I am, but what I might suggest would be to use both of these holes as drains. Specifically, a two-drain "Herbie" style system. Then, either drill for or run your return line over the rim of your tank.

Here's an article that explains the different drains; Durso, Herbie, and Bean Animal:
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/cont...fsasLdpU4YZj9VkKYfYCQuVKwqQsHWQHq7IUU1YdKJdeU

 

[Alvanck]

That's an easy swap for a new bulkhead that would be sized for hard plumbing.

However, if this is a running tank, that may be challenging

@UncommonSense or @BeanAnimal may have further advice

Can I just cut the hose that came with it to size? I know the Eschopps have the flat ends on each side, but it’s 3 feet and as you can tell there is no need for 3 feet. I would cut the end that attaches to the bulk head but since it will be rigid now I don’t know how well a pipe would work to control leaks. This is just the drain line…

I saw @UncommonSense like this but I don’t know if that’s his way of saying yes this is fine to do or absolutely not lol. Getting frustrated I’ve had this tank a week and finally had time to plumb it and it’s loud as ever with air and stuff due to the excess hose

 

[UncommonSense]

I believe they said it’s plumbed to 1 inch PVC however trying to figure out how to secure that to this bulk head.

As @Fish Fan pointed out, you will be best-off swapping these bulkhead fittings out for examples which are intended for rigid PVC pipe on the nut side!

In fact, I have a pair of bulkheads which are visually identical to this tank’s examples on-hand… on my examples:

— the smaller 3/4” barb example has a 1-3/8” minimum hole size, likely 1-1/2” hole in the tank bottom!

— the larger 1.25” barb example is a hair over 1-5/8”, likely 1-3/4” hole in the tank bottom!

— you should double-check the listed required hole diameter on bulkheads you buy to guarantee that they will actually fit the existing tank holes…

— I’d recommend schedule 40 bulkheads in this application; they will be a very close fit in 3/4” and 1” plumbing sizes… avoid black ABS bulkheads if at all possible… in a perfect world, bulkheads with a socket on the flange side, and threads on the nut side! (This allows you to actually remove the bulkhead fitting from the tank later without cutting cemented pipes apart!)



Bulkhead selection aside, do you plan to run a single drain on this tank? Or would you be curious about using both bulkheads for a dual drain design, with return plumbing running up the back of the tank?

 

[Alvanck]

I believe they said it’s plumbed to 1 inch PVC however trying to figure out how to secure that to this bulk head.

As @Fish Fan pointed out, you will be best-off swapping these bulkhead fittings out for examples which are intended for rigid PVC pipe on the nut side!

In fact, I have a pair of bulkheads which are visually identical to this tank’s examples on-hand… on my examples:

— the smaller 3/4” barb example has a 1-3/8” minimum hole size, likely 1-1/2” hole in the tank bottom!

— the larger 1.25” barb example is a hair over 1-5/8”, likely 1-3/4” hole in the tank bottom!

— you should double-check the listed required hole diameter on bulkheads you buy to guarantee that they will actually fit the existing tank holes…

— I’d recommend schedule 40 bulkheads in this application; they will be a very close fit in 3/4” and 1” plumbing sizes… avoid black ABS bulkheads if at all possible… in a perfect world, bulkheads with a socket on the flange side, and threads on the nut side! (This allows you to actually remove the bulkhead fitting from the tank later without cutting cemented pipes apart!)



Bulkhead selection aside, do you plan to run a single drain on this tank? Or would you be curious about using both bulkheads for a dual drain design, with return plumbing running up the back of the tank?

Just a single drain for this one. I think flex hose would be the best bet since it’s such a short distance and any plastic tubing would kink, but none of them come in such a short size, so it seems like either cutting or dealing with the noise is the only option

 

[Fish Fan]

Bulkhead selection aside, do you plan to run a single drain on this tank? Or would you be curious about using both bulkheads for a dual drain design, with return plumbing running up the back of the tank?

I've had these "reef-ready" tanks in the past, and I would not run one on a single, Durso drain, would you not agree?

 

[Fish Fan]

Just a single drain for this one. I think flex hose would be the best bet since it’s such a short distance and any plastic tubing would kink, but none of them come in such a short size, so it seems like either cutting or dealing with the noise is the only option

Don't run just a single drain. A snail could get in there and then you'll have flood on your hands

 

[UncommonSense]

but none of them come in such a short size

Are you talking about flex PVC? Or the likes of vinyl tubing?

such a short distance and any plastic tubing would kink,

If you feel that flexible tubing would kink, why are you discussing using it?

dealing with the noise is the only option

A single drain will inherently be noisy at anything over a trickle flow rate! — hence asking about turning both bulkheads into drains to employ a near-silent “Herbie” design!

I've had these "reef-ready" tanks in the past, and I would not run one on a single, Durso drain, would you not agree?

I agree wholeheartedly! If this was my tank; I’d run the 3/4” bulkhead as the siphon channel, and the 1” as the open channel!

 

[Alvanck]

@UncommonSense talking about it because that is the hose type that came with the sump.

 

[Fish Fan]

@UncommonSense talking about it because that is the hose type that came with the sump.

Not a great way to set it up, in my opinion. Listen to UncommonSense here

 

[UncommonSense]

@UncommonSense talking about it because that is the hose type that came with the sump.

You can use the hose that came with the sump if you’d like!

You would simply remove the drain bulkhead from the sump and stick the 1-1/4” tube through the bulkhead hole after cutting it to length!

However, this will sound like a toilet filling flushing repeatedly if you run any sort of return pump flow… with all the associated slurping and gurgling…

Hence the recommendation for the silent dual drain approach! — you can even do it with your existing tubing and bulkheads if switching to rigid pipe is completely off the table!

 

[Fish Fan]

However, this will sound like a toilet filling flushing repeatedly if you run any sort of return pump flow… with all the associated slurping and gurgling…

^That's the old one drain, Durso config

 

[Alvanck]

@UncommonSense talking about it because that is the hose type that came with the sump.

You can use the hose that came with the sump if you’d like!

You would simply remove the drain bulkhead from the sump and stick the 1-1/4” tube through the bulkhead hole after cutting it to length!

However, this will sound like a toilet filling flushing repeatedly if you run any sort of return pump flow… with all the associated slurping and gurgling…

Hence the recommendation for the silent dual drain approach! — you can even do it with your existing tubing and bulkheads if switching to rigid pipe is completely off the table!

Awesome, thanks for the suggestions! I’m going to give it a try. I have a valve on the return pump to dial in the flow, and I’ll do what you said regarding the drain. I’ll let you know how it goes. Thanks again my friend!

 

[UncommonSense]

Awesome, thanks for the suggestions! I’m going to give it a try. I have a valve on the return pump to dial in the flow, and I’ll do what you said regarding the drain. I’ll let you know how it goes. Thanks again my friend!

Of course!

Let us know if you get tired of messing with it to silence it; the dual drain upgrade isn’t particularly hard on this tank!