Fish disease

[bas0172]

Hello,

So I got my first fish yesterday. Today I got to look at it under my lights and I noticed white spots…. Can someone please identify what the disease is and if I can great it?

I do not have a qt tank and is not possible to set one up. Hope I can safe him, but have no idea what he has

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hello,

So I got my first fish yesterday. Today I got to look at it under my lights and I noticed white spots…. Can someone please identify what the disease is and if I can great it?

I do not have a qt tank and is not possible to set one up. Hope I can safe him, but have no idea what he has

These are secondary bacterial lesions associated with brooklynella. Mucus generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus.
Start with a prolonged 60 minute bath of ruby rally pro then at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the treatment, the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
Since a formalin solution is often not available for use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.

 

[bas0172]

Okay thanks will look into that. After the treatment, I can put it back into the display tank or is the brook in there as well?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Okay thanks will look into that. After the treatment, I can put it back into the display tank or is the brook in there as well?

You can safely treat within the display with Ruby rally, safe for coral and inverts although best separately

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Hello,

So I got my first fish yesterday. Today I got to look at it under my lights and I noticed white spots…. Can someone please identify what the disease is and if I can great it?

I do not have a qt tank and is not possible to set one up. Hope I can safe him, but have no idea what he has

Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Can you repost pictures and videos taken under white lights? I reviewed the images that you posted, but I cannot accurately diagnose the issue. I cannot see the typical white spots seen with ich, but I also cannot see the mucus and swimming changes seen with Brooklynella. Since these two disease have two different treatments, it is imperative to get the diagnosis correct from the start.

Can you check with your dealer to see if your fish was wild caught or tank raised? Brooklynella is much more common with wild caught fish, while ich can readily infect both wild or captive raised.

Jay

 

[bas0172]

Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Can you repost pictures and videos taken under white lights? I reviewed the images that you posted, but I cannot accurately diagnose the issue. I cannot see the typical white spots seen with ich, but I also cannot see the mucus and swimming changes seen with Brooklynella. Since these two disease have two different treatments, it is imperative to get the diagnosis correct from the start.

Can you check with your dealer to see if your fish was wild caught or tank raised? Brooklynella is much more common with wild caught fish, while ich can readily infect both wild or captive raised.

Jay

Thanks for your reply.

Hope this video is better.
Will ask tomorrow if it is wild caught but I am afraid it Will be to late if I don’t start with medication tomorrow so Will have to order it this evening.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks for your reply.

Hope this video is better.
Will ask tomorrow if it is wild caught but I am afraid it Will be to late if I don’t start with medication tomorrow so Will have to order it this evening.

I don't see definitive ich here. the fish does look larger than most tank raised ones, so I suspect it is wild caught. However, I don't see severe Brooklynella either - but wild caught ocellaris clownfish are VERY prone to that. The fish actually looks pretty good. I can see a couple of possible lesions on its side, but it is swimming very well, with its fins erect and it has good body mass.

At this point, I'd opt for the Ruby Reef Rally Pro treatment, just in case it is very early Brooklynella.

 

[bas0172]

I don't see definitive ich here. the fish does look larger than most tank raised ones, so I suspect it is wild caught. However, I don't see severe Brooklynella either - but wild caught ocellaris clownfish are VERY prone to that. The fish actually looks pretty good. I can see a couple of possible lesions on its side, but it is swimming very well, with its fins erect and it has good body mass.

At this point, I'd opt for the Ruby Reef Rally Pro treatment, just in case it is very early Brooklynella.

Thank you very much for your help. I just noticed that I can’t get Ruby Rally where I live (Netherlands). However, I can get eSHa Oodinex, which seems to have a similar effect. Is this also an option? Then I can start the medication tomorrow.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thank you very much for your help. I just noticed that I can’t get Ruby Rally where I live (Netherlands). However, I can get eSHa Oodinex, which seems to have a similar effect. Is this also an option? Then I can start the medication tomorrow.

I've never used that, but it is reported to just contain methylene blue. If so, I don't think it will work well.

 

[bas0172]

After 5 days he’s luckily still alive. Since today he has even come forward and is no longer hiding behind the rocks. I’m just wondering—shouldn’t brook have already killed him by now? Is there a chance he will survive this, or should I not get my hopes up too high?

Maybe it’s easier to see what it is in this video. The spots have actually gotten much worse, and he’s now completely covered in them.

 

[bas0172]

Btw I am feeding him mysis with garlic and he seems to like it and eats it. Read some posts on here that it can boost their immune system

 

[W31Olds]

Btw I am feeding him mysis with garlic and he seems to like it and eats it. Read some posts on here that it can boost their immune system

That theory is just that theory and not reliable. Your Clown looks to have Ich. You can use a Copper based Medication depending on what you can get, or you can run Hyposalinity. The drawback is if you have any inverts in your Tank, they cannot tolerate either so it would be best to move your Clown to a Hospital Tank.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

After 5 days he’s luckily still alive. Since today he has even come forward and is no longer hiding behind the rocks. I’m just wondering—shouldn’t brook have already killed him by now? Is there a chance he will survive this, or should I not get my hopes up too high?

Maybe it’s easier to see what it is in this video. The spots have actually gotten much worse, and he’s now completely covered in them.

The video is too blue for me to see anything on my phone. Can you retake it under white lights?

The clown is not swimming like one with Brooklynella would, so if you are seeing distinct white spots, I’d say it has ich.

Since you are in Holland, you may not have access to copper medications, but you can always run hyposalinity for it (neither copper nor hypo can be done with invertebrates present.

 

[bas0172]

Thanks, I'll look into setting up a QT. The DT needs to go fallow, right? How long is that? Unfortunately, he looks very bad this morning. The skin even seems to be falling off or peeling. I've added a video with white light.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks, I'll look into setting up a QT. The DT needs to go fallow, right? How long is that? Unfortunately, he looks very bad this morning. The skin even seems to be falling off or peeling. I've added a video with white light.

That mucus string hanging off the fish is a clear sign of Brooklynella. What treatment options do you have in Holland?

The fallow period for Brooklynella isn't clearly known, but since it doesn't have a resting stage like ich does, the time would be less than 60 days but longer than 45 days.

 

[W31Olds]

You might be able to get NT-Labs products. They are a UK based Company.

https://www.nt-labs.com/browse-products/indoor/marine/anti-bacterial.