dang I had every high end there was! I invested 5k in them and Got some killer deals on ebay. They all died when I got really sick and was down for months! I was one day away from transferring to my newly cycled frag tank! I get back from hospital a lot were dead then what was left I couldnt transfer because frag tank lost the cycle. So they continue to get mowed over and die! UUUGG! While I am still bedridden. What timing! You sure cant find those deals on ebay now! Not sure why i am telling you this. I am pretty sure I had butt kisseres though. My luck the cheapies survived! I couldnt resisit adding anything on an auction that was going off cheap! My sand bed had like 100 frags on it! LOL