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I'm picking up my first tank next week and putting together my finalized stocking list and was hoping to get some input on my selections. Is the bioload alright for the tank and are any of my selections not great together? Do you have alternative suggestions for fish I've maybe overlooked? What order should I introduce them to the tank?

I ranked them in order of my desire for them.
1. Pair of Chocolate or Mocha Clownfish
2. Porcelain Anemone Crab
3. Pink Spot Watchman Goby with Candy Stripe Pistol Shrimp
4. Not sold on a specific fish yet, but looking at
Red Velvet Fairy Wrasse? Hooded Flame Fairy?
Black Leopard Wrasse? Or Pink dotty back?
Would the dottyback be too aggressive? What about the Wrasses.

Thank you for taking the time to read and help me learn!
 
I'm picking up my first tank next week and putting together my finalized stocking list and was hoping to get some input on my selections. Is the bioload alright for the tank and are any of my selections not great together? Do you have alternative suggestions for fish I've maybe overlooked? What order should I introduce them to the tank?

I ranked them in order of my desire for them.
1. Pair of Chocolate or Mocha Clownfish
2. Porcelain Anemone Crab
3. Pink Spot Watchman Goby with Candy Stripe Pistol Shrimp
4. Not sold on a specific fish yet, but looking at
Red Velvet Fairy Wrasse? Hooded Flame Fairy?
Black Leopard Wrasse? Or Pink dotty back?
Would the dottyback be too aggressive? What about the Wrasses.

Thank you for taking the time to read and help me learn!
What size is the tank? That’s gonna be the biggest factor here. If we’re talking 20 to 30 gallons, you’re probably fine from a bioload perspective, but there are a few things to consider - territorial issues, space, and how everyone settles in.

First, the dottyback... you might want to rethink that one, especially in a smaller setup. Some species, like the Orchid, can be okay, but others are aggressive little nightmares that will bully anything they think they can get away with. If you’re really set on one, captive-bred Orchid Dottybacks tend to be a lot more manageable than wild-caught, but in anything under 30+ gallons, I’d probably skip it.

Wrasses are where things get tricky. Red Velvet and Hooded Flame Fairy Wrasses really need at least 40 gallons, ideally more, with good open swimming space. The Black Leopard Wrasse is beautiful, but it’s not beginner-friendly - finicky eater, needs a mature sandbed, and does best in at least a 50-gallon setup. If you’re looking for a wrasse that works in a smaller tank, maybe consider a Pink-Streaked Wrasse or a Possum Wrasse instead... they stay small, don’t harass other fish, don't sleep in the sand, and are generally pretty easygoing.

The Porcelain Anemone Crab is a cool choice, but are you planning on keeping an anemone? They do best when hosting one. Some adapt without, but it's a bit of a toss-up.

The clownfish and watchman goby with pistol shrimp should be solid. Clowns can get territorial, but in a reasonable-sized tank, it’s manageable, and the goby-shrimp pair should be fine as long as there’s enough sandy substrate for burrowing.

For stocking order, I’d start with the goby and shrimp first so they can settle into a burrow, then the porcelain crab (if no anemone, just keep an eye on how it adjusts). Clownfish can go in next since they’re hardy and adapt fast, and if you’re adding a wrasse or dottyback, they should go in last to minimize aggression.

What’s your plan for cycling and quarantine? Since you’re picking up the tank next week, just want to make sure you’re set up for that process - getting through the ugly phases early makes life a lot easier down the road, and using things like live rock, pre-cycled filter media, store- (or online-) bought copeods, and bottled bacteria can all help enable a fish-in cycle, but you need a plan, still need to quarantine (unless you're buying them from an LFS or online vendor that will QT them for you), and should definitely not introduce all those fish at once. They're all pretty hardy, but particularly as a first-time reef keeper, I would suggest you should space out the introductions over several weeks to a few months (I'd think - someone can correct me if I'm wrong).

If this is under 30 gallons, I’d strongly consider skipping the fairy wrasses, leopard wrasse, and dottyback. They’ll either outgrow the space or cause issues. If you really want a wrasse, Pink-Streaked or Possum Wrasses would be my top pick. If you’re set on a dottyback, a captive-bred Orchid might work in 30 gallons or more, but I’d be cautious.

Would love to hear what others think, especially if anyone has experience keeping a Porcelain Crab without an anemone.
 
What size is the tank? That’s gonna be the biggest factor here. If we’re talking 20 to 30 gallons, you’re probably fine from a bioload perspective, but there are a few things to consider - territorial issues, space, and how everyone settles in.

First, the dottyback... you might want to rethink that one, especially in a smaller setup. Some species, like the Orchid, can be okay, but others are aggressive little nightmares that will bully anything they think they can get away with. If you’re really set on one, captive-bred Orchid Dottybacks tend to be a lot more manageable than wild-caught, but in anything under 30+ gallons, I’d probably skip it.

Wrasses are where things get tricky. Red Velvet and Hooded Flame Fairy Wrasses really need at least 40 gallons, ideally more, with good open swimming space. The Black Leopard Wrasse is beautiful, but it’s not beginner-friendly - finicky eater, needs a mature sandbed, and does best in at least a 50-gallon setup. If you’re looking for a wrasse that works in a smaller tank, maybe consider a Pink-Streaked Wrasse or a Possum Wrasse instead... they stay small, don’t harass other fish, don't sleep in the sand, and are generally pretty easygoing.

The Porcelain Anemone Crab is a cool choice, but are you planning on keeping an anemone? They do best when hosting one. Some adapt without, but it's a bit of a toss-up.

The clownfish and watchman goby with pistol shrimp should be solid. Clowns can get territorial, but in a reasonable-sized tank, it’s manageable, and the goby-shrimp pair should be fine as long as there’s enough sandy substrate for burrowing.

For stocking order, I’d start with the goby and shrimp first so they can settle into a burrow, then the porcelain crab (if no anemone, just keep an eye on how it adjusts). Clownfish can go in next since they’re hardy and adapt fast, and if you’re adding a wrasse or dottyback, they should go in last to minimize aggression.

What’s your plan for cycling and quarantine? Since you’re picking up the tank next week, just want to make sure you’re set up for that process - getting through the ugly phases early makes life a lot easier down the road, and using things like live rock, pre-cycled filter media, store- (or online-) bought copeods, and bottled bacteria can all help enable a fish-in cycle, but you need a plan, still need to quarantine (unless you're buying them from an LFS or online vendor that will QT them for you), and should definitely not introduce all those fish at once. They're all pretty hardy, but particularly as a first-time reef keeper, I would suggest you should space out the introductions over several weeks to a few months (I'd think - someone can correct me if I'm wrong).

If this is under 30 gallons, I’d strongly consider skipping the fairy wrasses, leopard wrasse, and dottyback. They’ll either outgrow the space or cause issues. If you really want a wrasse, Pink-Streaked or Possum Wrasses would be my top pick. If you’re set on a dottyback, a captive-bred Orchid might work in 30 gallons or more, but I’d be cautious.

Would love to hear what others think, especially if anyone has experience keeping a Porcelain Crab without an anemone.
Thank you! It's a IM Nuvo 25 Lagoon. I'm not 100% ready to fully set it up so was still doing some research. We live in a more rural state, but are traveling to a bigger city where I found a deal that was too good to pass up, but I still need to get a few more items like an RODI to make the saltwater since we don't have a LFS. I plan on doing a fish less cycle with liverock and either Dr. Tim's or Microbacter, but am still researching quarantining and haven't made any decisions about that.

I'm not necessarily attached to the Wrasse or dottyback, I just thought the pink colored fish were kinda cool. I definitely don't want to get one that won't be suited for the tank or bully the other occupants though.

From what I read about the Porcelain Anemone Crabs people have had success with them hosting in a hairy mushroom or GSP instead of an anemone. I'm a little leary of adding a Nem so I was going to try that route first and if it doesn't work then maybe think about getting a few. I mostly just didn't want the clowns fighting over it with the crabs or worrying about it stinging the other corals.

Are there other fish you would recommend for the last fish spot? I think I'll just scrap the Wrasse/Dottybacks and maybe let the kids choose between a couple more peaceful options.
 
I am working on setting up the same IM 25 Lagoon; very cool tank, I think you'll like it! The front to back dimension is really nice.

I have had these blue porcelain crabs, I got a small herd of them on some live rock I ordered. These guys do just fine just hanging out on rock all day waving their little waivers. I'm not sure if this species will interact with anemones or not, but for sure they don't need one. Very cool guys:

Petrolisthes galathinus at ReefCleaner.org

I think you may be looking for this kind of porcelain crab, I have not tried to keep these, so I don't know if they necessary need a 'nem or not:

Neopetrolisthes spp At ReefCleaners.org

Good luck with your build!
 
Update: I'm thinking of letting the kids choose between one of the varieties of firefish or a Midas Blenny. As far as order of adding to the tank would I put this one in first or after the Goby/Shrimp Pair?
 
I agree with dropping the wrasses and dottyback in that size tank, especially with 2 clowns in there already. Stay away from damsels also. I would go with a goby and another peaceful fish such as a cardinal or royal gramma....
 
Update: I'm thinking of letting the kids choose between one of the varieties of firefish or a Midas Blenny. As far as order of adding to the tank would I put this one in first or after the Goby/Shrimp Pair?

In this specific case, I'd think introducing the firefish or blenny first - let them get comfortable and establish their spots, and then add the pistol shrimp and goby pair afterward. Pistol shrimp and goby pairs can quickly stake out territory and will defend it vigorously once established, potentially causing stress or territorial conflicts with timid fish like firefish.

Adding the firefish or blenny first should give them a chance to settle and find comfortable spots without competing against an established pair that's already claimed territory. From what I'm reading firefish in particular are shy and will benefit from having a bit of a head start.

Either way, it's usually manageable - especially if there's plenty of habitat in your aquascape for separate territories - but putting the pistol/goby in later seems more likely to result in fewer territorial conflicts and smoother tank dynamics overall. Still, there's no guarantee there won't be some aggression either way, adding new inhabitants to a reef can be a challenge.
 
In this specific case, I'd think introducing the firefish or blenny first - let them get comfortable and establish their spots, and then add the pistol shrimp and goby pair afterward. Pistol shrimp and goby pairs can quickly stake out territory and will defend it vigorously once established, potentially causing stress or territorial conflicts with timid fish like firefish.

Adding the firefish or blenny first should give them a chance to settle and find comfortable spots without competing against an established pair that's already claimed territory. From what I'm reading firefish in particular are shy and will benefit from having a bit of a head start.

Either way, it's usually manageable - especially if there's plenty of habitat in your aquascape for separate territories - but putting the pistol/goby in later seems more likely to result in fewer territorial conflicts and smoother tank dynamics overall. Still, there's no guarantee there won't be some aggression either way, adding new inhabitants to a reef can be a challenge.
Thank you!! I was struggling to figure out which one would be better to go in first.
 

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